What Happens When We Stop Holding It All Together?

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Welcome to youo Odyssey Podcast, where your guides Tara and Karen invite you on a transformative journey toward wholeness and personal growth. Each week we'll discuss topics related to the human experience and offer insights to help you along the way. Please note this podcast should not replace medical care or advice. We are not licensed healthcare professionals or mental health therapists. If you enjoyed today's episode, subscribe so you don't miss out on our future discussions. So, explorers, let's dive into today's episode. [00:00:53] Speaker B: Hey, explorers. [00:00:54] Speaker C: Tara here. Last week we shared the first part of a conversation with Jeannie Duncan that was so rich we decided to give it a little more room to breathe. We talked about courage, devotion, over discipline, and what it looks like to trust yourself enough to do things differently. Well, today we're picking up right where we left off. And this part of the conversation takes us somewhere a little deeper into uncertainty, our relationship with control. And what happens when being the person who holds everything together becomes more than we can carry. Now, you don't have to have heard last week's episode to join us here, but if you haven't, I definitely encourage you to go back and listen. For now, we're jumping back into our conversation with Jeannie, starting with a question about alignment and uncertainty. [00:01:41] Speaker B: There's a question about alignment. So you spoke briefly about the transition in your career, the transition out of your marriage, your transition into the business. But there is something about alignment and making the changes that you need to make for yourself, even if it feels uncertain. Like there is a certain level. What I hear, correct me if I'm wrong, of being okay with the unknown. As much as it may go against what your head is saying. The logic isn't logicing, but there's a certain level of uncertainty. Familiarity, for sure. [00:02:20] Speaker D: Yeah, it's. I mean, I feel like that's the constant. [00:02:25] Speaker B: Yes. [00:02:26] Speaker E: Coming back to the trust. Because everything is uncertain. Right. Nothing is guaranteed. It's all a creative process. [00:02:34] Speaker D: And like control is just made up. It's a made up construct. We're never in control of anything. Trying to let go of that even being the aim, you know, certainty, knowing, control. For me, whenever I think I'm really sure about something that I really, really know something is such a dangerous place to be for so many reasons. I often say when I think I'm the surest, it's a sign that, like, be careful because it's, it can be a place of least knowing. And part of that is a mindset because it closes you off from being open to others. [00:03:18] Speaker E: Yes. [00:03:18] Speaker D: Wow. I have. I have this. [00:03:20] Speaker E: Like, we don't know what we don't know. [00:03:23] Speaker D: Wow. We don't. [00:03:24] Speaker E: When we get to a place where we're like, yeah, I got it. Pretty sure that means you absolutely do not have it. [00:03:30] Speaker D: Oh, you know, and just saying those words like, I'm listening to myself, I say it so clearly and so confidently and it kicks my booty every day. Every day. Yeah, it is. It is. Your life is your work. My life is my work. In this. In this space. [00:03:50] Speaker E: Your life is your work. Your life is your work. Yes, it's all about that. The working, the journey and the discovering and the expanding and the feeling into and the trust and the creation. And I mean, thank goodness it's ongoing, right? I. I wouldn't want it to be boring. I wouldn't want it to be over. I just want to keep going and growing and expanding and exploring. And that comes with some uncertainty, a little bit of discomfort, you know, A lot. Thank goodness. A lot of it. [00:04:25] Speaker D: A lot of it. [00:04:25] Speaker E: A lot of it. A lot of it. As you were saying that, I was like, man, that is so true. And, boy, I'm so grateful for that. Like, I've never heard myself say this before, but I am grateful for the uncertainty, the discomfort, the have no idea what's next kind of a discovery, an imaginative process. Boy, so grateful for that. And I believe our society and humans on the whole, they. We operate under this idea that it has to look a certain way now. We have to have the answers and that we have to know, like. And I mean, no, in a worldly, logical sense, as opposed to knowingness. Right. And, oh, man, I. I want more paid. [00:05:21] Speaker D: We're paid to know. [00:05:23] Speaker E: Yeah, we're paid to know. And I want more people to feel with unknown. Yeah, yeah. Maybe that's our mission. Like, let's get everybody comfortable with being completely uncomfortable. [00:05:34] Speaker B: As you were talking about, like, grateful for this. I was like, I don't know if I've reached that level, especially not when I'm in the middle of it and be like, what, grateful for this on the other side. Yeah, absolutely. I absolutely understand how, like, on the other side of your discomfort is, like, your biggest opportunity for growth. As you were talking, Karen, what I hear is like, you can be okay. You can absolutely be okay in that uncertainty. You can be okay with the not knowing because like Jeannie said, that's the danger zone. There's a level of ego and vanity that pops up. It's like, I got it. It's all handled. Life will humble you really quickly, like, did you, did you now? [00:06:15] Speaker E: 17 curveballs. Yeah. [00:06:18] Speaker B: So being okay and maybe being grateful for the discomfort and the uncertainty is absolutely where our biggest opportunities for growth and change and impact are. You're going to be fine. Promise. [00:06:32] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. Being okay to fail. [00:06:36] Speaker E: Yeah. I was reading this morning and it's called Psycho Cybernetics. I don't know if you've ever read that, either of you, but it was a book that was written in, I believe, early 60s. Besides getting beyond the antiquated examples and stories, sometimes very masculine focused, there are some really beautiful points in there about creative expansion, about creating your life, about having vision, about not knowing the next steps, about trusting your servo mechanism, right? There's the brain, the logical, there's the forebrain that says, this is the thing I want to go towards. And then the idea of letting it go and letting your natural creative mechanism go to work, right? So what some people call higher self or universe or God or even. Not any of that, but just creativity, just letting that take care of the how, right? Letting that sort of just be out there and surrender and let go. So, like, have the focus, have the thing, name the thing, this is what I want, or this is where I'm going, and then letting it go. I think that's a skill. I think that's a habit that really benefits us, you know, just sort of getting to that idea that it's not. We don't have to know it all. We don't have it all figured out. We'll never have it all figured out, [00:08:01] Speaker D: you know, so those are some good words of wisdom right there. I have a quote on my bathroom wall. We have this quote board and it says, expect everything attached to nothing. That's what just came up for me when you were describing that. It's like, have the goal, have the focus, the direction, and then just be open, like allow. The universe is so creative. Why would we want to lessen that in any way, shape or form? [00:08:33] Speaker E: Our mind is so small compared to the field, right? The universal mind, the energy of consciousness and creation. So. So why would we think we have it all figured out when literally all we can see is what's on our little teeny tiny radar screen? And everything that the universe has, all of the expansion 99.9 of it, we cannot see. And there is some wild stuff at play out there. And we just trust, like, we just have to get that point of trusting that, like, all right, I've stated my piece. This is where I'm headed. And now I'm letting it go because I know that universal intelligence is far beyond anything that my little guy is going to think of. So I just keep remembering that. [00:09:18] Speaker D: Good thing to remember. [00:09:20] Speaker E: Oh, Lord, I don't even know what I just said. Anyway, it's. [00:09:25] Speaker D: It's recorded. You can listen to it later. [00:09:28] Speaker E: Later. [00:09:28] Speaker B: And getting ready to record with Eugenie. Like you said, I'm on the website, I'm reading things, and there is this essay talking about the period after your memoir was published where you were of. Like, where it has this exterior of composure, but also coming to the realization that other things also needed to change. And I wanted to ask. This is going to be another one of those questions. I'm go ahead and give you the disclaimer now. Like, when you were writing, give yourself [00:10:02] Speaker E: lots of air time after. Just let it be [00:10:07] Speaker B: it about the. The breaking down of everything that you thought about, like the strength and the appearance when there is so much inner turmoil that's going on as you are navigating something so successful. Like, you did it. You completed your memoir. And then there's more. Like, what was that period like? Navigating that and navigating the uncertainty there or the things that needed to change. [00:10:32] Speaker D: Before I answer that, is this the writing that said I. I had a breakdown? [00:10:37] Speaker B: Yes. Yeah, that way, baby. [00:10:39] Speaker E: Let's just get right to it. Oh, I must have missed that. I was like, my breakdown. [00:10:44] Speaker B: I went. Yeah, I went on the site and I was like, oh, she writing about her break. She's like, I had a breakdown. Yes, that one. [00:10:49] Speaker D: She did. And then I put in parentheses in front of it mini. Because I couldn't agree with the fact that I think I just had a breakdown. Let's just call it a mini breakdown so my self can be with that. [00:11:00] Speaker E: That was great. Like, it's okay. It's just a small one. It's fine. You're fine. It's just teeny. [00:11:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:06] Speaker D: Back to your teeny self story a moment ago, Karen. Your teeny brain, your teeny self. Or tiny maybe. Wow. That. That was some journey. The writing journey, the authoring journey itself, I published in 2022. I started writing the book in 2018. And in fact, I didn't know I was writing a book. I was just writing, but I hired an editor to help me turn in my homework and actually make progress. And the book didn't start as a memoir. It started as a leadership book. And it was basically, you know, my coaching model. Like, I have a process, and it's not like a prescribed process. For every client. But I just, I have a process of helping. Well, it started with myself navigating my own changes and transitions. And then I found that it could be helpful to my clients. So I was writing about that and I had interviewed over 50 women, so I was incorporating their stories, wrote the whole book, got ready for publishing, and my editor tells me, I have something to share with you and I'm not sure how you're going to take this. So in typical now way I relate to Tara. I brace myself for what she's going to say. And she said, I don't think this is the book you're really wanting to [00:12:27] Speaker E: write because somebody, somebody give that editor a million dollars. [00:12:31] Speaker D: Wow. I don't think this is the book you really want to write like your soul wants to write. And the reason I'm coming to this conclusion is because I see your light. I see the glimmers of your most authentic personal story in this book. But it's in little sound bites here and there. You know, I wove in my story, but it wasn't my story. And so she encouraged me to go there and, and to write my story. And so I did. And it was a much harder journey because it was a much more vulnerable journey and a lot to process and something we won't get to today. But it was a lot of processing of my mother, daughter relationship, which was really difficult and a coming out journey that I went through. And so at the end of that, making time for writing was really difficult. In my work as a business owner, it was. I had to make time for my paying clients all day long and then write in the late hours of night, in the wee hours of the morning, every weekend. And this went on for a couple of. Well, that writing process was about a year and I was just carrying a lot. I was carrying the load of all my work. You know, it was 2022, so it was right after Covid and my family, we were. Lynn and I were struggling with our own transitions during COVID with the world and everything. And I remember it was December of 2022 and I was at the top of the stairs in our house and I just dropped. I just like didn't pass out, but just dropped from the weight of carrying it all and afraid to set it down over the course of that journey, I just carried it. And when events twisted and I needed. We needed more or needed different, I just took it on. I just took it on and took it on and took it on. My wife was navigating her own transition as A musician, you know, think about artists in Covid, you know, musicians. It's like completely shut down. And so I began to be that one that said, I got this. You take the time you need, you know, rebuild, redevelop. And so it's just like, you can't do that. It's ridiculous. But it was that steel, that steel rod. [00:14:50] Speaker E: I was thinking about that steel rod and it just. [00:14:55] Speaker D: I had a meltdown. It just melted down. Thank God it melted down. And that it did. How it did. Like that I didn't have some heart event or I didn't have some other dis ease that developed or some crisis. Think my body just literally gave out under the weight and just. Just let go. [00:15:16] Speaker E: Yeah. It just invited you to stop. [00:15:19] Speaker D: And I did. And I think I was waiting for things outside myself to reach some arbitrary level of something Before I gave myself permission to let go. I was waiting for that. And so in that moment, I stopped waiting for that. My body said. My body said, nope, it's now. The time is now. Right? Like right here, right now. The time is now. And fortunately, I have a partner who is so incredibly supportive and loving and embracing and she's like, of course, like no one expects you to do this by the way. You just do it. And so stopping expecting. [00:16:04] Speaker E: She's the best. Yeah. [00:16:07] Speaker D: Who expects this of you? I'm looking around, no one. [00:16:11] Speaker E: Might be me, might be self. [00:16:14] Speaker D: I sure did. And there's so many reasons we do that. So I'm not very proud of like, you know, the ego. Self wants to feel important. Maybe the savior. Some embarrassing things to admit like that. But I think there was some of that. [00:16:32] Speaker E: I think a lot of us have our sense of worth wrapped up in that. Like how, you know, how much can I do? How much can I hold? [00:16:42] Speaker D: And it was really hard to write that and really hard to admit that I just gave out underneath all that pressure. And it's the best thing you can do to talk about it, to write about it, to share. Because we're all carrying those kinds of things. We're all navigating our journeys like that. And it gives, you know, someone writing about theirs or sharing about theirs helps me be able to own mine and name mine. [00:17:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I could really literally sit here for the rest of the day and talk to you. But then we just, just. [00:17:16] Speaker E: And it's an eight hour long episode. Like somehow we've spending the entire day with us. We'll just split it up. [00:17:24] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean you already said it was gonna be two and I'm trying to figure. Well, I'm not gonna figure it out. It's gonna reveal. Its weird. The split is. [00:17:31] Speaker E: It always does. And you know that. Let me just say something about Tara. What I've observed over the last two years, I've watched Tara go from now your organizational skills and planning skills are affordable. Yeah, you got that. But also I've seen a softening, a letting go, a surrendering a trust rod. You were still. Right. Maybe you have like a third of a still rod. I don't know. I feel like. But I feel like some of it's more like this, like this beautiful little rope now. And it's like. Yeah. You've gotten so. At least to me, from an external someone who's pretty close to you, you've gotten more trusting. Right. Like of the process or of life itself. Right. Of like the way things unfold. [00:18:20] Speaker B: That's because when the rug gets pulled out from under you and you're still standing, you're like, you know what? This might be okay. I might actually be okay. Okay. Ride the waves. Let's go. Oh, yeah. So in that mini breakdown post, I was like, I saw myself, I saw like the being raised. Don't let them see you sweat. But having to invite that vulnerability, having to let life humble you to get to the point where you're like, you know what? I'm good with this. I'm good with the way that things are unfolding. Karen, what you said earlier about like, the how is not on us. We're just. We're open to whatever happens. So yeah, this episode will basically edit itself. It'll tell me where it needs to be going. And I'm okay with that. Because holding on as tight as I can do the reins does not work. There has been a little thawing of the steel. We melted it down a little bit. [00:19:09] Speaker E: The how is none of our business. Right. And so easy to forget that. [00:19:14] Speaker B: Right. [00:19:14] Speaker E: It's like, but I need to know how. But actually you need to know what. [00:19:19] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:19:20] Speaker E: What's pulling you? What's drawing you to something? And I mean the word devotion, I'm telling you, like, because neither in a religious sense nor in a marital sense do I love the word like devotion. But the idea of devotion as a calling and a, a, A creativity or a, A love of something that is just drawing you to it. Right. Like, I picture it more like with my children, like, oh, you just want to like, hug it and hold it and just love. Just love it. Love it, love it. That is a very sweet and soft way to move through life. [00:20:00] Speaker B: Agree. Wow. [00:20:02] Speaker D: Beautifully said. [00:20:03] Speaker B: That's it, man. That's where we are. [00:20:06] Speaker E: All right, so next time, we have Genie back, because it's gonna happen multiple times. The mother daughter paradigm. Soon as when Jeannie said that, I kind of looked across a tear and I was like, well, just talk about that some other time. So that I think that's a really great thing. And also creative endeavors. Like, I feel in this moment in my life, there's so much uncertainty around many things. Like, I am trusting a really high level, big picture thing. And also some days I'm like, what is happening? What is happening? Like, there's a deconstruction happening. Like, this year has been wild for that. And the thing that keeps me coming back, and it came to me last night, too, is I sat at my piano and I was like, by goodness, this musical wants to come and it keeps coming. And so that is the thing that I am devoted to. That is the love that is drawing me forward, is discovering or revealing, unfolding the storyline of this musical. The songs are mostly in place and understanding. Like, what do you want me to do with this? Like, I literally said, I'm like, I don't know what you want me to. Like, I kind of know, but I know that it's something that is meant to come forth, apparently through me. When I said yes. And there's a whole lot of trust and a whole lot of unknown, but it's just the love and the feeling that I feel when I connect to it. I'm like, okay, this is something. And I just keep moving little by little whenever I can. Like when you're writing your book, like, sometimes it's 10 minutes like that last night. 10 minutes. [00:21:43] Speaker B: Tell our listeners how they can find you. If they are an executive leader at an organization is like, jeannie, please come here and help us get on mission, get on purpose. Let us know where they can find you. [00:21:55] Speaker D: Oh, 1, 800, no, I'm just kidding. [00:21:59] Speaker E: And also tell us about your speaking. Like, I know the podcast, right? I'm doing is your podcast. And yes, you're an executive coach, but you're speaking, like, clearly. If you're listening to this episode, you can feel and hear how inspiring and impactful Jeannie's story is, and also her words and her presence. And so, like, if somebody's going, oh, my God, it's the exact kind of speaker that we want for our event. Boom. How do I find her? [00:22:23] Speaker D: Boom. The easiest way. Two things. My website is really simple. JeannieDuncan.com and LinkedIn. Jeanne Duncan. [00:22:33] Speaker E: J, E, A, N I E. Just so. [00:22:36] Speaker D: Thank you. [00:22:37] Speaker E: Not like the one that comes out of the letters lamp and not like [00:22:41] Speaker D: Duncan, like the donuts. Although I wish that family fortune, but yeah. D U, N, C, A, N. Great. [00:22:49] Speaker F: Yeah. [00:22:49] Speaker E: Good, good. That's terrific. [00:22:51] Speaker D: Thank you so much fun. [00:22:54] Speaker B: Thank you so much for joining us for your first appearance on the pod. [00:22:58] Speaker E: Yes, thank you. Thank you so much for your time and for your heart and your wisdom. We'll see you. We'll see you again soon. [00:23:07] Speaker D: All right. [00:23:08] Speaker B: Awesome. All right. Bye, Jeannie. [00:23:10] Speaker E: Take care, Jenny. [00:23:11] Speaker B: October. We made some room. We've made some room. [00:23:15] Speaker E: We made some. [00:23:15] Speaker B: Oh, my goodness. [00:23:16] Speaker E: I mean, even just going into that being, like, maybe this is two episodes. Make room for it. Let's see what happens. [00:23:22] Speaker B: This song is a very beautiful way to close out our conversation with Jeie. The song is about giving yourself that permission to not only feel what you've been carrying, but acknowledge it and give it some place to go. This song is released by Grace Potter. [00:23:48] Speaker A: Check out this week's song on the YO Podcast playlist on Spotify. [00:23:57] Speaker E: Oh, Grace Potter taking us to church. [00:24:02] Speaker B: What? [00:24:03] Speaker E: I remember hearing that song. I forgot about it. Wow. [00:24:09] Speaker B: Yep. Yeah. [00:24:11] Speaker E: Yep. [00:24:12] Speaker B: That was the song. [00:24:13] Speaker E: Oh, man. That hit. [00:24:16] Speaker D: Yep. [00:24:17] Speaker B: There is something that happens when we stop feeling like we have to be in control, that we have to hold it all together and we can just release ourselves from the burden of having to have it be. Having to have it make sense, having to have it be all figured out and having to have it be anything more than just what it is like. You Release, release, release, release, Release your sir. [00:24:47] Speaker E: Release it, release it. Release the fear. Release it, release it, release it. [00:24:51] Speaker B: Release it, Release it. [00:24:53] Speaker E: All right, we just went to church. [00:24:58] Speaker B: The question of the day for this episode, we are maybe smack dab in the middle of Emotional Wellness Month. And I feel like there's a beautiful way to tie release into everything that we've talked about with Jeannie. And which emotion is the easiest for you to release and which one is the hardest for you to release? I've been in my feelings about feelings, so. [00:25:31] Speaker E: Yes, you have. Like, not expect this question. [00:25:34] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, that's not even a question. That's that release. Easiest to release and the hardest to release. You need to pull out the feelings wheels. [00:25:45] Speaker E: Oh, man. I'm gonna sit with it for a second. [00:25:48] Speaker B: Yeah, just go ahead. I'm like, literally might pull out this feelings wheel because I'm like, what is. What is the one? Like, I remember sitting in therapy sessions, we've talked about how easily I can intellectualize my feel feelings and not actually feel the feelings. Let me pull it up right quick, because I have the one that's sitting in my torso. I got it. [00:26:09] Speaker F: Oh. [00:26:10] Speaker B: For a very long time, this has been the easiest feeling to release in terms of we don't have a relationship, we not friends. The easiest one for me to release is anger, because I feel like anger is the base emotion. It's easy to be angry if you're irritated now you're angry. It's easy to get to anger. It's a lot harder to get to what's beneath the anger. Is it fear? Is it hurt? Is it overwhelmed? There is something that's always sitting right underneath anger. So I'm like, I'm not angry. Someone will tell me something. Like, I'm not actually angry. I know that, and I can say that without any confusion. That's very clear to me. I'm not angry. That's not it. So that's the easiest to release. Yeah, that one. You can go. I don't need that. One of the. [00:26:53] Speaker E: That's interesting. Okay. I thought you meant. What's the easiest one for you to process? [00:26:58] Speaker B: You can do, however, the question. [00:27:01] Speaker E: But I'm saying that's what blew my mind. That that's how you're interpreting it, how you're answering it. [00:27:05] Speaker B: It's like the question that just popped up. Yeah, I don't know what this question. That's the easiest one. The hardest one is. Ooh. The hardest one to let go of is disappointment. And that's related to sometimes very unrealistic expectations. It's like, oh, I'm disappointed that this didn't unfold the way that I would. I thought that this would look differently than it does. And, like, letting that, like, I'll sit with that and be like, hey, friend, how you doing? That was. Thought it was right. And it's like, yeah, girl, that wasn't it. We are so disappointed. If one of my parents growing up said they were disappointed in me, my little heart broke, like, that would break my heart. Like, you could be mad. Okay, well, I don't care. Get over it. Like, but if you're disappointed, like, there's something that's deeper that that one is. Like, hey, they disappointed. I'm disappointed, too. Like, oh, my gosh. That's my two. I didn't know where that was going, but that's where we went. [00:27:58] Speaker E: That's a good one. Because disappointment is so tied in with. At least in my opinion. It's Tied in with guilt and shame [00:28:06] Speaker B: and worthiness and judgment and embarrassment. [00:28:09] Speaker E: Judgment, embarrassing. And that to me, that all comes down to for me, shame. And that's the one that I'm working with releasing finally that it doesn't matter what someone else thinks about my life and what you're doing, my experience and who I am and how I show up. Like some ways it's like it is starting to become easier to release. But it's definitely the one that's been the most pervasive, let's say throughout my decades thus far. So that one's got some layers to it. And I will say I've been working with it with this thought field therapy technique that Dr. Callahan. It's like the precursor to EFT and it's really been helping to sort of break up or dispel those cycles. So that's been really good, really helpful. So that's been complex and there's been depth of field on that one. On the shame, the judgment, the criticism. That's a trigger for me, like when somebody especially in my close sphere says something that it feels critical like I mean my God, I just, it's so familiar like from almost day one, maybe year two, day one. So I'm just always like easiest to release. Well I'm gonna flip it and say the easiest feeling for me to release in terms of allowing and letting it permeate is love. To me, that's the easiest one for me to just sort of send out kind of like in a blanket to everyone, especially to that person who did the critical judgment thing. You know, I'm just go to, I'm sending you love. I'm sending you love. I'm sending myself love. Sending you love. There's nothing but love. So I'm gonna flip that. [00:29:58] Speaker B: I think it's very interesting that the hardest one is for both of us and I imagine for anyone listening is the one that you have the deepest roots with. [00:30:07] Speaker E: It makes sense, it makes sense. [00:30:11] Speaker B: Deepest roots. Like I'm thinking about last year when I started my sub stack and everything that like yeah, we cut off branches but the root is still an issue. Like oh, shame gone. Oh, disappointment gone. Uh huh. Just kidding. Haha. Found it again, like pop up. It's like daggone great myrtle. Like what in the world. We gotta dig up the roots. [00:30:30] Speaker E: Dig outta. Dig that up. [00:30:31] Speaker B: Yeah, dig up the root. I have enjoyed this journey so, so much. I have a quote from psychologist, mindfulness meditation teacher and author Tara Brack. Compassion honors our experience. It allows us to be intimate with the life of this moment as it is. [00:30:55] Speaker E: I love that presence. So important. [00:30:58] Speaker B: Right. [00:30:59] Speaker E: With that is compassion for what is in this moment. [00:31:02] Speaker B: What is is in this moment. So much would change in our immediate circles if internally there was a level of compassion that you offered to yourself. Starting there and like how you experience your life and the things that are so completely out of your control, like have compassion for yourself as you're navigating those things. [00:31:22] Speaker E: Yes, yes. It's like, it's, it's the lifeline, lifeline for evolution and for letting go is having that compassion. [00:31:32] Speaker F: Yep. [00:31:32] Speaker B: For your passions leads to the release. This has been amazing. [00:31:36] Speaker E: This has been amazing. [00:31:37] Speaker B: Like even the after party is also where it's at. Okay. [00:31:41] Speaker E: Yeah. Like you can be at the party or you can be at the after party. [00:31:47] Speaker B: So explore. May you discover that this beautiful life that you are living can take many different forms and offer yourself compassion as you find your form. That's it. [00:32:02] Speaker D: That's all. [00:32:02] Speaker B: Every day. [00:32:03] Speaker E: Yep, every day. May you be present, may you notice, may you be aware, and may you love yourself through all of the things. May you give yourself an extra hug today because you're doing great at being you and we're sending you lots of love and compassion. 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