Joy - Your Birthright

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Welcome to youo Odyssey Podcast, where your guides, Tara and Karen invite you on a transformative journey toward wholeness and personal growth. Each week, we'll discuss topics related to the human experience and offer insights to help you along the way. Please note, this podcast should not replace medical care or advice. We are not licensed health care professionals or mental health therapists. If you enjoyed today's episode, subscribe so you don't miss out on our future discussions. So, explorers, let's dive into today's episode. I'm Tara. [00:00:54] Speaker B: And I'm Karen. [00:00:55] Speaker A: Thank you for joining us. Today we will be talking about joy. It's such a small word. [00:01:03] Speaker B: It's three letters. [00:01:04] Speaker A: It's just so tiny. [00:01:06] Speaker B: So tiny. But it's so big and so important. Yes. [00:01:11] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. [00:01:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:14] Speaker A: So when we talk about joy, as Karen and I have said before, is your birthright. It's inherently in you. There is nothing that you have to do or become. It just is. You get to tap into it. [00:01:32] Speaker B: Yes. Right. It's this full well that's there, and you gotta dip on in. [00:01:38] Speaker A: All right, so let's dive into joy. Let's go. [00:01:41] Speaker B: We love to laugh, don't we? [00:01:43] Speaker A: I think love is too small of a word for the amount of laughter that is a part of this relationship. [00:01:50] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh. Laugh so hard left. So you cry. Laugh till your stomach hurts. And for me, laughter, that's the direct line. That's the mood changer. That's the thing that will help you tap into joy no matter what. I think it's why there isn't there like, laughter therapy or like laughter yoga or something. [00:02:08] Speaker A: There's something. There's something there. [00:02:10] Speaker B: Right. And I was always like, what? But it's true. It's like a direct line into that well of joy that is always there and always within and always accessible. It's just that we lose sight of it sometimes. [00:02:22] Speaker A: We lose. [00:02:23] Speaker B: We disconnect from our essence and our birthright, which is this joyous state. [00:02:29] Speaker A: Yes, absolutely. So, of course, when we were first thinking about recording about joy, my first instinct is, go to my handy Dandy dictionary. [00:02:39] Speaker B: I love it so much. [00:02:40] Speaker A: Joy is both a noun defined as a feeling of great pleasure and happiness, and a verb to experience great pleasure or delight. Think about the words that are both nouns and verbs. When you say tap into it, you're choosing it. Yeah. Those are action, but it's also your birthright. It's inherently in you, which is the noun. That's a duality that exists. A necessary and core human experience type situation. It's beautiful once you tap into it and you're reminded of your joy. To me, joy is a connection to the spiritual, your higher self, your most authentic self. When you tap into that, joy follows. [00:03:21] Speaker B: Because that is our purest state as we come into this world. Joy is right there. Nobody has to teach you. No, you just. [00:03:28] Speaker A: You're born with it. [00:03:29] Speaker B: You're born with it. You just got to tap into it and remember. And that's one of the challenges about being in a little bit of a slump or a challenging time. We forget that it's still there. [00:03:41] Speaker A: Yes, joy is not a fleeting, external thing, because joy is internal. You can't take it out, cut it out, you know, do away with it. Do away with it. And joy can coexist with other darker things, which is why joy and happiness aren't quite the same, because joy can exist when there's fear. Yes, Joy can exist when there's anger. It's still there. [00:04:03] Speaker B: It is. It is forever present, whether or not you can feel it. [00:04:08] Speaker A: Yes. [00:04:09] Speaker B: It's always there. There's always something we can do to tap into. And as we talked about in the last episode, we talked a lot about gratitude. And that is there's, like a little pathway. Like little. You know, like little. Yes. Hansel and Grotto, like, dropping the little breadcrumbs. It's like there's. There's always a way back. There's always a way back. No matter how dark it is and no matter how powerless or desperate you feel. There is a breadcrumb. There's. There's something to follow. And that's why laughter is such a. Such a beautiful and powerful tool for that. And it's why I enjoy our relationship so much, too, because we do laugh a lot. And also we. We just be real silly to you. Like, we just be real silly. [00:04:55] Speaker A: We came into this session today on silliness times 1000. I apologize in advance if it. If it offends you, but sorry, not sorry. [00:05:06] Speaker B: Yeah, right. Like, I mean, there's going to be silly. [00:05:09] Speaker A: It's going to be silly. And laughter as the highest vibration of joy. Like the laughing until you cry, like you're just releasing all of the things within your body again, because it is so internal. [00:05:25] Speaker B: It's very akin to dancing in terms of processing emotion. If you can start laughing or dancing, no matter where you are, you're going to move up the emotional scale of vibration within you. You're going to. You can't not. And it's also why they say laughter is the Best medicine if you have things that are ailing you. I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've put on a stand up comedian on Netflix when I'm like a little like vibrations a little low and just laugh till you cry. That's so good. Yeah, it's so cathartic. [00:05:59] Speaker A: Those girls laugh when you're like your, your belly aches, your cheeks hurt, just everything but you know, it feels good. [00:06:04] Speaker B: Feels so good. [00:06:06] Speaker A: Joy is, since it isn't external, limitless and just like so big that you, you can't quite describe it because it is such a deep core internal feeling. It just is. Joy is right. [00:06:22] Speaker B: And when you deeply know it and feel fills every corner of you. How amazing that we get to experience that. I know there's the whole gamut of all the emotions, but joy, oh my gosh. I just got reminded of the. Is it the emoji movie. Was that the joy where they're no. [00:06:40] Speaker A: Inside out. And there's inside out too. That's coming soon. But yes, okay. And she's gonna be a teenager. But anyway. [00:06:45] Speaker B: Oh my gosh, yes, that's right. I did see trailer. [00:06:47] Speaker A: But yes, joy. But joy, like the primary, she's the leader. [00:06:50] Speaker B: She's the leader. It all comes down to remembering our joy. And it's different for everybody. What brings you joy can be different. The motivating external things can be different as long as you're open to feeling it. And. And it's just so beautiful. [00:07:06] Speaker A: Motivating external things. What types of external things tap into your joy? Oh gosh, the list goes on again. It's limitless. [00:07:16] Speaker B: It's limitless. So yeah, being out in nature brings me great joy. Being around my children because we have the same sense of humor. So that brings me a lot of joy. A lot of just goofy, silly laughter. I love, love, love being around people who just make me smile, who just crack me up. Just the company I keep. [00:07:36] Speaker A: Spending time with your people and those that activate your joy, so to speak. Building those types of not just relationships, but bond relationships. For me, spending time with my framily is what I refer to it. I love so lovingly. It's like the family that we choose or future episodes, the ohana, your tribe. And spending time with those people that pour into you and activate your joy. It's priceless. That's one of the things my husband and I this year have set about to do. Intentionally. Spending more time with those people we call ours we can choose. [00:08:10] Speaker B: And as a social introvert, I do need to have downtime and alone time. But when I come out into the world. [00:08:20] Speaker A: Yes. [00:08:21] Speaker B: Want to be with the people that. That make it so. Such a rich, joyful experience. So that your heart can be light. [00:08:29] Speaker A: If it's not something you can do yet fake it till you make it. I am really good. I'm gonna say drawing. I'm not good at drawing. I will never be good at drawing. [00:08:37] Speaker B: I love that you use that example of all examples because you both like, I can't draw straight lines at all. [00:08:43] Speaker A: But if that's something that you desire, we could take a course or, you know, learn how to draw basic things. But the more you practice it, the more you do it, you're like, you know what? I'm better than I was. Yeah. [00:08:54] Speaker B: That's so great. [00:08:55] Speaker A: Because Is it. Well, is it really faking it when we're talking about joy? [00:08:59] Speaker B: I don't think so. [00:09:01] Speaker A: It's the intentional practice, the deliberate act of choosing to tap into your joy, how big or little it is. [00:09:10] Speaker B: You do have to be intentional about it. Different ways for everyone to get to it. [00:09:14] Speaker A: Right. [00:09:14] Speaker B: So find your top three. I know when I go out into the trees, I know that I'm gonna feel happier, I'm gonna feel better. [00:09:22] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:23] Speaker B: When I connect with a friend and have a deep, meaningful conversation, even if it's serious, it's that connection, that feeling of connection. It's like a primal urge. So find the two or three things that. Those are your go to's to reference the movie It's a Beautiful Life. [00:09:37] Speaker A: Yes. [00:09:38] Speaker B: We're talking about world and the internment camps. And It's a Beautiful Life shows the relationship of this man and his son. And he's spinning it, you know, he's changing reality and perspective for his son. That this is a game and that they're having fun in this weird, crazy game. And he just maintains that. That joy for himself as much as for his son. But it's. Oh, it's so beautiful. [00:10:04] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think that movie also beautifully illustrates how joy can exist with other. [00:10:10] Speaker B: Yes. [00:10:11] Speaker A: Emotions that we experience during dark times. [00:10:14] Speaker B: Yes. And you. And you don't have to deny those. As you were saying. Right. You don't have to say, oh, I'm only joyful. I'm only joyful. I'm just only going to be joyful. No, we're complicated. [00:10:23] Speaker A: If only we were that simple. [00:10:25] Speaker B: Holy goodness. Yeah. We are so complicated. We are all so complicated. Joy coexists with so many other things. [00:10:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:34] Speaker B: Wow. And just leaning into it, though, Right? Yeah. [00:10:38] Speaker A: As I was Doing my research for the podcast. [00:10:42] Speaker B: Oh my gosh, she does so much writing. [00:10:44] Speaker A: Research has shown that regularly experiencing joy or tapping into joy can positively affect your mental and physical health. [00:10:53] Speaker B: Oh, 100%. 1,000%. [00:10:56] Speaker A: When you are experiencing joy, your brain releases those feel good chemicals. [00:11:00] Speaker B: Oh yeah. [00:11:01] Speaker A: The dopamine, the endorphins which reduce stress, anxiety and boost your happiness. So if you are releasing those feel good chemicals, and we all know how our brains are wired, the more you do that, the more you want to do that, the easier it is to. [00:11:15] Speaker B: Do that, the pathway gets, gets reinforced. Yes, yes. [00:11:20] Speaker A: What are your thoughts on those joyful moments and the boost to your emotional health? [00:11:26] Speaker B: Well, you know me. [00:11:28] Speaker A: I do. [00:11:30] Speaker B: So I work a lot in the emotional and energetic realm with people and we do it with the medium of the voice. But I know that I've seen it. I've seen people connect to their breath, connect to their body, connect to their voice and create vibration in their body and it reduces their cortisol levels and their anxiety and stress hormones. It creates space and openness for the good to flow in and for healing to take place. So lowering stress and anxiety in whatever self care works for you. I find that using the voice is a really direct and powerful way to do that. Directly affects how you feel physically, mentally and emotionally. It affects all the things really. The voice is like the hub. It's like the central hub. And there's so much that you can release and so much that you can do for yourself when you express sound. [00:12:34] Speaker A: I love that connection between your emotional and physical well being. You get an instant immunity boost by tapping into your joy. [00:12:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Anytime we're lowering stress. That's why I think dance is so important and just movement in general to move your body in a way that feels good. And those are all conditions that are conducive to experiencing joy. [00:12:57] Speaker A: Yes, absolutely. I love that. Okay. So in addition to the things that joy does for us internally, joy also strengthens your relationships with others. [00:13:11] Speaker B: Oh, it's such a bonder. [00:13:12] Speaker A: So when you're sharing those positive experiences, it's building authentic connection with another human being. When you do that, you are giving them permission to tap into their joy. To tap into your joy. Really? [00:13:25] Speaker B: It's like you're jump starting. Yeah. Your joy's happening and I'm gonna tap. [00:13:29] Speaker A: Into it to infuse a little bit into you so you can be reminded that you're still here. You're still worth it. Right. [00:13:36] Speaker B: Just find somebody that you feel safe with that you can trust. You know, be Real and open with them and just say, can you help me tap into joy? [00:13:45] Speaker A: Enjoy Ripple effect. [00:13:47] Speaker B: Yeah. We don't need to be afraid to ask for help. This is something. There were so many years where I took my art, my songwriting music so seriously. Creating in general is beautiful gift. Oh, I just wish we could all. [00:14:05] Speaker A: Take ourselves a little less seriously when we do that. That's another shortcut to tapping into your joy. [00:14:13] Speaker B: Yes, yes. All of these things. All of these are little tidbits. And get out and move in nature. Like, see, look at something beautiful. Go look some beautiful art. Listen to some music. I have a playlist that I put on when I need. When I'm just getting. Want that little bit of a. You know, a little bit of a. We talk about that all the time. Because we both do it. It's. It just almost instantaneously, as soon as. [00:14:35] Speaker A: The first beat drops, I can imagine myself right now. Oh, I put on my song, and then it's like, you know what? Whatever I was worried about is really not that serious, so. [00:14:44] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:14:44] Speaker A: I'm gonna dance a little bit. I'm gonna be a little silly in the mirror. [00:14:47] Speaker B: Yep. Yeah. [00:14:50] Speaker A: It just feels so good. Like, I'm goosebumping right now just thinking about, like, I'm gonna dance. [00:14:54] Speaker B: It feels so good. It feels so good. Boy. What. What else in your. Like, I want to know what else you discovered in your research. [00:15:04] Speaker A: Put on my professor glasses. So for me, where I tapped into, of course, initially, when I thought about joy and we were discussing joy and thinking about joy, I was like, well, joy is a birthright. And then when I think about going to church, joy is a commandment. I think of the fruits of the spirit. Joy is up there. It's not saying, you know what, be happy, because happy isn't permanent. Happy is, you know, oh, someone gave me whatever. [00:15:29] Speaker B: It's conditional. [00:15:30] Speaker A: It is absolutely external and conditional. [00:15:32] Speaker B: Oh, okay. [00:15:33] Speaker A: It's not permanent. [00:15:34] Speaker B: Okay. [00:15:34] Speaker A: Because it's from outside things. Oh, this made me happy. Or someone gave me a gift and I was happy. Or someone did the thing and I was happy. Joy isn't like that. [00:15:44] Speaker B: Happy feels kind of. Kind of. [00:15:45] Speaker A: It's superficial. [00:15:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:15:48] Speaker A: And I don't mean we're not minimizing happiness. [00:15:51] Speaker B: No, no, no. I just mean, like you said, fleeting is a great word for it. Yeah, yeah. [00:15:55] Speaker A: So it's like, oh, you know, joy is a little word, but it's the bigger word because it deals with your heart and who you are essentially, at your core, authentically connecting with other People encouraging other people to tap into their joy and then reminding people that joy is here. And if you're angry or if you're afraid or sad, it's okay. Joy's still there. It doesn't go away. [00:16:19] Speaker B: Right. [00:16:19] Speaker A: Let the other ones roll around a little bit. You know, take the lead for a little bit. It's like, alright, when you're finished, I'll. [00:16:25] Speaker B: Be here, I'll be here and we'll get back to business. Yes. [00:16:28] Speaker A: The business of joy. [00:16:29] Speaker B: The Business of Joy. [00:16:31] Speaker A: Is that the title of this post? [00:16:34] Speaker B: There she goes. [00:16:35] Speaker A: I have to write you guys. I'm sorry. [00:16:37] Speaker B: Yeah, she's always the note taker. [00:16:39] Speaker A: It's beautiful. [00:16:40] Speaker B: I love it so much. [00:16:41] Speaker A: Her roles. [00:16:43] Speaker B: Yeah, it's good. [00:16:45] Speaker A: Oh, okay. So like, yeah, I mean, of course there would be more joy. Joyful things. As I digest this episode and go back and do a little bit more research and bring in all of the things that I want to talk about and share with our audience. It's how we make this more than just a temporary thing. It's just a one time thing. Like no other things that respond off of this. [00:17:08] Speaker B: Like right. Yeah. It's so yummy. And this won't be the last time we speak of joy. Can't be joy because. [00:17:16] Speaker A: It'S limitless. [00:17:18] Speaker B: So it's like love. I mean literally joy and love. [00:17:20] Speaker A: I think they. Right there, top two. [00:17:22] Speaker B: Yeah, they're right there. [00:17:23] Speaker A: Neck and neck. [00:17:24] Speaker B: Yeah. So good. I love it. Yeah. And available to all of us at any moment. That's the thing that I love. Any and all moments. [00:17:33] Speaker A: I think even in those dark moments, if you remember, joy is always there. [00:17:37] Speaker B: Yeah. In some ways maybe it helps you go into that emotion because you feel like you got a lifeline over here from Joy. You're like, okay, I'm gonna go down into this and I'm gonna process it. I'm gonna feel it. Because you got to. Otherwise you keep it. And you don't want to keep it. You want to process it and move it. But you can hold, you can have one hand holding on to. I don't care if it's a piece of dental floss, whatever it is to tether you to Joy. So you can do your cave spelunking I think they call it. Right. Go down into the cave and do what you have to do in terms of processing, shadow work and trauma and shadow work and all of the things and begin the healing and then remember to get back. Yep. Just get called back. You tug on the line. Yes. Right. You tug on the line, which is your people, and your people are the line. They're holding the line, and they bring you back up. It's so safe. Joy is such a safe, safe place, and it's always there. [00:18:35] Speaker A: So beautiful. Listeners, I would be curious to know what. What things bring you joy. [00:18:43] Speaker B: Because everyone's so different. We all like little snowflakes. [00:18:46] Speaker A: My joy doesn't look like Karen's joy, and Karen's joy doesn't look like my. [00:18:50] Speaker B: Joy, and so on and so on. Yeah, let us know. Because, you know, there's so many people on this planet, people might be experiencing joy in ways we never even thought of. And we can bring it. We'd be like. [00:19:03] Speaker A: Or in ways that I would not desire, because, as Karen said, she's outdoorsy. This is my favorite comparison. One of my friends. Like, I'll send her something on Instagram. Like, I am outsidey, not outdoorsy. So if I'm not gonna go camping and it's gonna be glamping, there has to be a shower. And, like, all. I'm like, yay, we're outside, but then we're going inside. [00:19:26] Speaker B: Yes. I want to be on an actual bed. [00:19:28] Speaker A: Yeah, sure. But I'm also gonna go sleep in the bed, so. [00:19:31] Speaker B: With a real shower. [00:19:32] Speaker A: So, yeah. So sometimes, like, she'll take me, and we'll be on walks in the morning woods, and I'm like, man, I just. Why? I do it because I love you, but it's not my first choice of bringing joy. [00:19:45] Speaker B: What is your first choice? [00:19:46] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. Probably writing. Like, tapping into the creative side. It's gonna be writing. It's gonna be dancing. It's gonna be singing loudly, ridiculously. [00:19:54] Speaker B: Yes. Karaoke. What? You so silly. [00:19:59] Speaker A: It's gonna be that. It's those things that bring me joy. [00:20:02] Speaker B: I love that you said writing so quickly. Because that is. Right. That's your. [00:20:06] Speaker A: Yeah, that's my thing. [00:20:08] Speaker B: That's your creative juice, your creative flow. And it's true, as I think about that, like, when I'm creating or when I'm in that space where there's. It's no time, no space. You feel like you're floating in. Time doesn't exist. And. And because it doesn't. Because it doesn't fake. [00:20:23] Speaker A: And then, like, it's fake, you know, I'm writing. Where did all these words come from? Who did this? [00:20:28] Speaker B: Yeah, when you're. That's. That is a 100% clear, instantaneous way to joy. [00:20:34] Speaker A: No thought, first word out. [00:20:36] Speaker B: Letting it come through. Letting it come through. So Good. [00:20:40] Speaker A: All right. [00:20:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:41] Speaker A: So as we talk about joy and dancing and getting in our bodies, you wanna. [00:20:45] Speaker B: Let's do. [00:20:45] Speaker A: You wanna do a song? [00:20:47] Speaker B: Let's do. [00:20:48] Speaker A: So this song. [00:20:50] Speaker B: I couldn't believe you picked this song. Honestly, I heard the first. Did I not hear the first? [00:20:54] Speaker A: It was like three seconds, first beat. [00:20:56] Speaker B: That was like, I can't believe you picked that song. [00:20:58] Speaker A: And I did pick the song. And you guys, once you hear it, you will understand why. This is a song that came to me for joy. I'm like, joy, this is what we're gonna do. [00:21:07] Speaker B: Yeah. This is what we're doing. [00:21:12] Speaker A: Check out this week's song on the Yo Podcast playlist on Spotify. So it's time for our question of the day. What's your favorite part of reclaiming your joy? Notice I said reclaiming because you're born with it. My favorite part is the ripple effect. That is when you're so full of joy and it just bubbles over into the next person, and then they bubble over into the next person. Look at all the joy you're spreading, and it's just igniting the flame and sharing the spark. [00:21:46] Speaker B: Oh, I love that. The power that it has. [00:21:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:49] Speaker B: To affect that same feeling, that same beautiful reaction in others. [00:21:54] Speaker A: Yeah. Because joy is internal, but it's not just for you. [00:21:58] Speaker B: I love that so much. It's internal, but it's not necessarily just for you. My favorite part of reclaiming my joy has been remembering this experience that we walk through is a gift. It's happening for us and to grow and to evolve, and if we can keep that perspective, that feels really right to me and really good. And for me, dancing in my kitchen literally is one of the ways that I love to do that. And I hope that my neighbors are watching, because like you said, if that can spark someone else or give someone else just permission to be like, dance in my kitchen. Yeah. [00:22:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I love it. Out in your car, in your kitchen, wherever. Dance like no one's watching, Right? Or like everyone's watching either way, like, who cares? Dance. [00:22:53] Speaker B: I'm like, yeah, just dance wherever. It doesn't matter. [00:22:55] Speaker A: Whenever. [00:22:56] Speaker B: Dance because it feels good and because it's an expression of your body, but also your soul. Dance is an expression of your soul. I mean, anytime you've ever gone to any theater performance, you know, ballet, all of it is just so exquisite. Modern dance, anytime you see someone using their body in such a way, it reminds you that we have this vehicle. It's another way to tap into it. Remembering to reclaim your joy. Because it affects everyone around you and you give others permission. [00:23:27] Speaker A: Lovely listeners. What's your favorite part? [00:23:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I love that. Yeah. And if you also listener, as we're talking about that, if there's something that you would like us to consider. [00:23:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:40] Speaker B: As a, as an episode topic, bring it on, please let us know. That'd be great. Do you have a little quote over here? [00:23:46] Speaker A: I do have a lovely quote that came to me again in all of my research. Just feel really scholarly. Today's quote is from beloved saint Mother Teresa. Joy is prayer. Joy is strength. Joy is love. Joy is a net of love by which you can catch souls. Oh, a net of love. That's why they hand in hand. [00:24:17] Speaker B: What? [00:24:18] Speaker A: In love. That's why. [00:24:19] Speaker B: That's why they're hand in hand. That's exactly right. [00:24:22] Speaker A: That's why it's my favorite part of reclaiming your joy. Because it's like, well, I got mine. And then someone looks at you like. [00:24:29] Speaker B: Huh, I want some of that. Give me some, give me some of that. Where'd you get that? [00:24:34] Speaker A: It was here. I got it. I came with it. [00:24:36] Speaker B: Oh my God. [00:24:37] Speaker A: So Joy, Joy helps you stay in. [00:24:41] Speaker B: The moment and vice versa. Staying in the moment helps you access joy. [00:24:46] Speaker A: Yes. [00:24:47] Speaker B: Right. [00:24:47] Speaker A: Because you're not worried about what's going to happen in the future, what did this, what happened in the past. [00:24:52] Speaker B: You can just be here. Yeah. And kids are so good at that. [00:24:58] Speaker A: They are great teachers, by the way. [00:25:00] Speaker B: Yeah, that's you go watch some kids. Not in a creepy way, but I'm like, go watch some kids doing their thing. [00:25:05] Speaker A: Like if you have your own, watch. [00:25:07] Speaker B: Them and just notice. They're about discovery, curiosity and wonder. But at the seat of all of that is their desire to experience joy in whatever new way they can. [00:25:21] Speaker A: This has been great fun. [00:25:24] Speaker B: It has been truly a dynamic, joyful, soul filling conversation. [00:25:30] Speaker A: You know, that's a natural ending point. So thank you for listening wherever you are finding this podcast. If you've missed any, please go back and listen to them. Let us know your thoughts. We are so glad you could join us today. [00:25:42] Speaker B: We're so glad you're here. Thank you so much and take good care. Thank you to Queenies in downtown Durham for the use of their community podcast studio and for welcoming us so warmly each week. We'd like to give a shout out to Coco Cinnamon, the birthplace of 1023 Media and the yo podcast. 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