Episode Transcript
[00:00:03] Speaker A: Welcome to Your Odyssey Podcast, where your guides, Tara and Karen invite you on a transformative journey toward wholeness and personal growth.
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So, explorers, let's dive into today's episode.
[00:00:53] Speaker B: Hey explorers, it's Tara. Karen and I are really glad you pressed play because this episode, it's an invitation not to do more or fix more or become someone new, but to reconsider the relationship you have between growth and contentment.
[00:01:11] Speaker C: That is such a an interesting paradigm, right? If you're growing, it means you're unsettled or not happy or ungrounded or not where you want to be.
But if you are sitting contented, it means you're probably doing a familiarity, comfort thing and maybe not growing.
[00:01:31] Speaker B: Maybe. Yes, maybe. Karen, you and I have been having these conversations behind the scenes for a while now in various aspects of our lives. It keeps coming up not just between me and you, but in the people we talk to. These conversations are usually with people who are doing all of the quote unquote write things, and they still feel a little bit unsettled.
So I wonder, Karen, in those conversations that you and I have had or that you've had with other people, what about that feels most true for you?
[00:02:04] Speaker C: Yeah, I see. There's a bit of a separation, right? Or like there's a dichotomy. People look at it as I'm this or I'm this, right?
[00:02:13] Speaker B: I'm.
[00:02:14] Speaker C: I'm either really feeling feel purposeful and engaged and like I'm contributing and growing, or I feel like I'm in the wrong place doing the wrong kinds of things. Growth is a funny bird.
Growth is like you have an idea that there's more for you to be, to show up. There's more of who you are. Right? And oftentimes we limit that. We have stories, we have memories, we have beliefs. There's all kinds of things that keep us from the truth of who we are are in fullness and wholeness.
Sometimes the act of stepping into that uncertain space feels scary and ungrounding. It is because it's new terrain, but it's really not new because it's who you actually are. So there's an interesting play of this is who I thought I was, but this is who I really am. And how do I move from one to the other? I find for myself as well, but for people that I talk to that are newly on a spiritual path or trying to have a new awareness about themselves, their identity, attachment, or releasing, they don't really know how to do it or where they stand, and it feels a little uncomfortable. Sometimes we go into the mind to sort of solve all the things, but that's not where the answers lie. The answers lie in here, in the heart, and there's a lot of trust involved.
[00:03:39] Speaker B: I want to go back a little bit to dive into something that you said about the tension between where we are and where we're going and how that feels unsettled in our bodies. I feel our culture has this quiet promise that if you're here, more success will make you happier, more money will make you happier. More clarity, more healing, more progress. Happier, Right?
[00:04:02] Speaker C: More equals happy.
[00:04:04] Speaker B: Yeah. More equals happy. And yet we've never had more access, more tools, more opportunities. And so many people still feel restless, dissatisfied, or like they're constantly behind.
[00:04:19] Speaker C: Right.
[00:04:19] Speaker B: In prepping for this episode, I found that according to the most recent World happiness report, the US now ranks 24th globally for happiness, down from 11th just over a decade ago. Something isn't adding up. Something is. Something is missing in this equation. We have these tools, this opportunity, but we're becoming less and less happy. The question is, how do you get happier? Why is this constant chasing, this constant striving, often leaving us less satisfied?
Right.
[00:04:49] Speaker C: It's because there is no chase involved. Right. There's. There's a letting go and a remembering that's involved, but it's not acquisition. Right. We're not chasing after and acquiring something. Everything that we need, we have within. And I know that sounds like a super oversimplification, but it's absolutely true. If we can let go of, even temporarily, an hour a day, the external world and focus within and notice what we do have and the gifts that we bring and uncover little tidbits of what brings us joy, those are all guideposts. And it's not anything in the external world. The external experience only reflects our inner world. If we're feeling chaotic, it's because we're letting too much of the chaos in.
So we have to be very mindful about where we focus our attention.
[00:05:42] Speaker B: Yeah. So before we go deep into this episode, I want to get really clear on something. Karen and I in this episode are not anti growth, we're not anti ambition, and it's not about not wanting more in Your life. Because growth is good. Wanting more alignment, more meaning, more honesty. Like that matters. What we're questioning is where we're looking for this happiness, like what we're asking more to do for us. And I think that distinction between wanting growth versus outsourcing your happiness, like you were saying, it's inside of you. It's not. You're not going to get it from external sources.
[00:06:19] Speaker C: Right. Growth is an inside job. We've talked about that. Right. Like, happiness is an inside job. Love is an inside job. All of these things are internal, inner experiences.
You can spend 90% of your life or your day, you know, focusing outward. I want this and I want that. And if it's. If it's true for you and it's coming from an authentic, true, deep place, then that thing's coming anyway. Releasing and letting go of the idea of have to constantly push and force and strive.
You know, that's. I. That's the kind of like, I guess that acquisition mentality. Right? That. That sort of. That sort of gotta get it mentality. More, more, more. It's not about anything external.
[00:07:05] Speaker B: Yeah. This is Karen and I revisiting the happiness paradox. Back in episode 23, we talked about shifting from pursuit to presence. If you listen to that episode, or maybe you'll listen to that episode after this one, this conversation is gonna be a little bit deeper because there has been a lot of identity, work, and growth in both of us.
[00:07:29] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:07:31] Speaker B: And here's what I've noticed that has shifted. The more pressure we put on this happiness to come into our lives, the more elusive it is. The harder we chase it, the quicker it slips through our fingers. We are doing all of this work on identity and alignment, and spoiler alert, happiness doesn't actually respond well to force.
[00:07:51] Speaker C: And also, it probably doesn't look like what you think it looks like.
We think happiness is abc, Right. And it may come to us in ways that you haven't even imagined yet. You can't limit the vision of happiness.
[00:08:04] Speaker B: Yeah. And I know this is something that I have recently been reconciling within myself about happiness. Like confusing that with control.
Like, the more control I have on the outcome, the circumstances, the plan or whatever, the happier I am. And I'm like, nope, not quite it. That's not quite it. This funny thing happens. You aren't happier when you finally figure it out. You aren't instantly happier when, you know, if I could just get through this season, then I'll be happier. Or if I get to this level of success, then I'll be happier or this version of myself. Surely that'll make me happier. And then happiness becomes this conditional bird and you can't catch it. It's deferred. It's always just in front of you and you can never quite get it right.
[00:08:54] Speaker C: The bar just keeps on moving out. The. The goal just keeps on moving out. The happiness so tied closely, as we've talked about, with gratitude. Gratitude for what we have now that. That it's here in the present now. You just need to notice it. And then more will come in other ways. It's here now.
[00:09:13] Speaker B: Yes, it is actually here.
[00:09:15] Speaker C: It's here. You just have to know where to look, you know.
[00:09:18] Speaker B: Okay, let's talk about this. More concept, wanting, more clarity, more healing, more progress. Sounds admirable. And none of those bad.
But the promise of when you get here, like you'll finally be happy. That's where things start to unravel. It creates this moving finish line. We never actually get to the more and then we never actually feel satisfied because the finish line keeps moving. Like I've reached the milestone and it's not quite what I thought it would be once I got here.
And I think it's not because we're ungrateful and we're not appreciative of where we've landed. But this. This contentment, this happiness that we're looking for just keeps getting postponed.
[00:10:00] Speaker C: Right. There's always a contingency if then. Then I will if this then happy. No, but it's not. It's. That's backwards.
[00:10:08] Speaker B: When we move the finish line, happiness becomes this thing that we're almost allowed to feel like you can't truly be like we can't truly be in because we're not quite there yet or the finish line has moved and we're like, oh, well, start over. This is a new mode of being. Yeah, I have a question. Yeah, go ahead.
[00:10:25] Speaker C: I was just gonna say that acquiring or that more ment. Reality keeps us on that hamster wheel of action, action, action. It's an absolute. I'm responsible for this. I have to keep working. I have to keep going. I have to keep pushing. It is opposite of what really brings true happiness, which is a feeling of contentment and gratitude and love and a settling of the over stimulation and the external world. That really is where the heart of happiness is.
[00:10:55] Speaker B: Which answered the question I was about to ask because I was going to say stop it.
What do you notice about when we have this moving finish line and you literally just answered it.
[00:11:05] Speaker C: So that's Hilarious. Okay. That happens with us.
[00:11:09] Speaker B: So I was just gonna move to this next idea. You were talking about more contentment, more settledness. But I want to caution explorers because on the way to more contentment, more settledness, sometimes it amplifies our discomfort before we get to the relief portion of it.
[00:11:26] Speaker C: Earthquakes, earthquakes left and right.
[00:11:29] Speaker B: The ground shifts under your feet and you have more awareness, which sometimes leads to more grief. The more honest we are with ourselves, the more tension we have about where we actually have more room for growth. And that is disorienting. The ground does shift under your feet before you get to the settled. If you are feeling a little unsure, a little shaky, hold on, keep going. Don't get stuck in an earthquake.
[00:11:55] Speaker C: That's true. It's so true, we start to panic. Oh, the other thing I was going to say about the more mentality is if we're constantly thinking there's more out there that will bring us happiness, that actually is that scarcity mindset, the lack mindset, that it's not here now, when in fact we do because we create our reality. Our outer world reflects our inner world. And if we can sit with that and feel the truth of that and the abundance of our lives and of who we are and the okayness and the worthiness of who we are and where we are in our lives, then that leads to a more relaxed kind of state of ease, which abundance slash more sort of just sort of naturally tends toward.
[00:12:43] Speaker B: I like that clarity that comes when you invite the ease of. Of contentment, of happiness, of settledness, of more. This other thought, this other idea that sometimes comes up in this pursuit of happiness is that we mistake that discomfort, that unsettled earth feeling. Like that it's failure. Like, because I'm uncomfortable. Because, like, this doesn't feel good, because it's heavier as I'm doing all of the things they say I'm supposed to do. We believe that this discomfor comfort cancels out our contentment or happiness. Like it's proof that something is wrong. Like we made a wrong step and this isn't where we're supposed to be.
[00:13:23] Speaker C: Don't you think that anybody I've worked with and in my own work, that sign of dissatisfaction and discomfort means I'm onto something.
There is an awareness happening, and the shift in my perspective which is necessary for things to actually feel different and change. Right. Like change. Growth is our inherent way of being. It's our inherent nature. And it can be uncomfortable at times.
[00:13:53] Speaker B: Yes. What I was gonna say is that discomfort is simply the cost of living. Honestly, that's it, right?
This is what happens when you start asking those deep, true questions. When you start looking at the rules that you've been living by, the roles and identities that you've worn through survival or whatever. Like, this is what happens. You start asking those questions.
[00:14:15] Speaker C: Yeah, it is ungrounding and a bit disconcerting, one might say, if you look at who you thought you were, as you're shifting your perception to expand your identity and have that awareness of, oh, dang, who I thought I was was just a very small portion of who I actually am.
And there's so much more to me. But it's like we hang on to that. Like, right. I mean, years I hung on to a sliver of my identity, like, this is who I am, and I was missing out on all of the other. And there's all of this, right? It's just like there's a little space and then there's the whole circle. When we discount our expansiveness and our inherent nature of, like, being more, you know, than we know we are, when that awareness comes, it is like a slap in the face, quite honestly. It is shocking.
And it's so good, because that's the invitation. That's the crack in the door, right?
[00:15:17] Speaker B: Yes, that is crack. Because we collectively as a people need to redefine what contentment actually means and what it doesn't. Because somewhere in this pursuit of more in order to be happy, if we're not automatically happy, then I must not be growing, or if I'm uncomfortable, then I'm doing something wrong.
I don't want explorers to get stuck.
Because what I've observed is when we get stuck and that this can't be what it is, then a lot of guilt, a lot of shame shows up. And when we talk about this contentment that is conditional upon our circumstances, there is this fear underneath it all. If I get content or if I'm content at where I am now, I can't grow. If I stop being this person, I'll lose momentum or I won't be myself anymore. And if I stay in this place, then this place must be where I belong. So let me just settle here. And that is not contentment. That is complacency. And they are completely different.
[00:16:20] Speaker C: Yes. Complacency, I really think is directly related to fear. Fear of knowing who we really are or fear of even looking at it, right?
[00:16:31] Speaker B: Of that awareness, at the very minimum, like, fear of looking at it because you're like, oh, this is fine. Everything's fine, you're in a dumpster and it's on fire. But nothing needs to change. That's where the complacency trap is. For a lot of people to shift from that complacency trap to contentment is like, I am okay where I am, but I am 100 open to where I can be or where I'm going.
[00:16:55] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. The duality of that exists in you is that I know there's more. And also I'm a little uncomfortable that there's more.
What does that mean? Because I thought I knew who I was.
And like that shift can happen in an instant. With a medical diagnosis or a near death experience, people can have that insight and shift. For most of us though, it is more of a slow bubbling under the surface, like, awareness of like, wait a minute, like there's a slow trickle of remembering or understanding what we feel we're here for, what our purpose is, what brings us joy. And then if it's not aligned with that vision of what we thought was like successful or status or wealth or whatever it is we're hoping to perform as, or show up as, you know, it's. Yeah, it's a little bit of a. And it, and it doesn't ever stop. I just want to be clear.
[00:17:53] Speaker B: No, right.
[00:17:53] Speaker C: As you're connecting more truly with your consciousness, your deepest self, like there's gonna be those, those, those rocky places of the shift, like an acorn, it has to break open for the little thing to get into the dirt. There's gonna be a little discomfort when you're growing to the next level.
[00:18:12] Speaker B: When you're growing to the next level. That reminds me of something. I've seen that this growth, this cracking open of the acorn, if it's rooted in discontent or complacency, like you're drained.
And if you have this growth that's rooted in contentment and inward you're sustained, like, yes, it's a little bit uncomfortable, yes, the ground is shaking, but I'm okay.
I never want someone listening for their growth to feel frantic, like they're behind, they're broken, they're not enough. I want it to truly come from a place of inward settledness, of contentment. That's when your growth can be intentional, it can be curious. You can be kind while you're growing. And you're not trying to outrun these past versions of yourself. You're not trying to out survive the survival. You're just responding to where you are now and where you want to go.
[00:19:04] Speaker C: Right there's a deepening. And trust is a really important part of that process. Right. Trusting yourself and being kind and compassionate with yourself. There's a deepening that's happening that feels really good. And also it's that deepening, that sort of rooting in that new soil is gonna. Is gonna cause some shifts in your life.
And that's sort of part of. Part of the game, if you will. That's part of the bargain.
[00:19:30] Speaker B: Yeah. And I also think that a lot of us are waiting for permission for things to feel okay before we move to this next version of ourselves. Like, we're waiting for permission to enjoy life while it's still unfolding. We're waiting for permission to stop treating the present like a problem that needs fixing.
So if you are that person waiting for permission, I want to give you this. You are allowed to be content and still evolving. They don't cancel each other out.
They really don't.
[00:20:02] Speaker C: Yeah. That's beautiful. It's so true. Being content doesn't mean you're complacent. Being content means you're feeling a sense of, I'm okay and I'm growing.
[00:20:14] Speaker B: I'm growing, I'm safe, I'm worthy, I'm enough. Like, all of those positive affirmations. And I think there's this level of exhaustion that is introduced when we keep waiting for this version of ourselves that doesn't exist in this version of ourselves that exists without tension, without uncertainty, without discomfort. So, because I. I know people, like, talk to me like, oh, you seem. I'm like, baby, I don't have a single clue what is happening.
[00:20:40] Speaker C: Every day there's a new little something, and I'm like, oh, really?
[00:20:43] Speaker B: Something else on earth. Like some comment that will feel a different way. Like, a meaningful life doesn't mean attention free life. It's an honest life. It's a life. Oh, that bothered me. Or, oh, I found a new shadow, Right? Yes, I go deal with that now.
[00:20:58] Speaker C: A meaningful life is deepening your connection with yourself every day. And there are people, I think, who feel like they're embarrassed or shamed. Like, oh, I was so off. I was so wrong about who I. It's not a right or wrong. It's not a competition. It's just a deepening of awareness and being okay with that and allowing yourself that compassion and grace.
[00:21:19] Speaker B: Yeah. So if this happiness isn't something we chase, maybe the invitation really isn't to do more. It's to reorient. Not necessarily overhaul your life or abandon your growth, but gently shift the questions that you're asking because your questions will shape your experience.
So like you just said, it's like not what did I do right or wrong, it's what feels meaningful, what feels aligned for me right now.
[00:21:47] Speaker C: Yeah. And also just noticing how you feel in any given moment, really understanding, connecting to what is this feeling in my body? Am I jealous? Embarrassed? Am I feeling judgmental of myself or someone else? Just being aware of what. Because the emotions are such guideposts. And I think that's a key piece of it too, is paying attention to what we're feeling in a moment and where we feel in our body and. And what does that mean for us in this moment? Asking those questions, being curious. Have you considered that you are whole and well and growing?
[00:22:25] Speaker B: That's the practical. So we'll shift the questions that we ask ourselves. Another way is to name your enough, not forever, but for today. So you are going to ask yourself what is already enough right now? We're not shrinking our dreams. We're not discounting our dreams. We're not delaying our dreams. But we are giving our nervous systems a place to rest in that contentment. It. Right now, today.
[00:22:52] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. Because so often, as we said, it's ungrounding, kind of shaky ground, place to feel. And we really have to allow ourselves to feel settled and safe and protected. Right.
[00:23:06] Speaker B: And another practical shift is letting our growth be relational, not transactional. I was watching, I don't know, something. It could have been a sermon, could have been a podcast episode. At this point, they all feel the same to me.
[00:23:21] Speaker C: Yeah. Inspiration's inspiration.
[00:23:23] Speaker B: Yes. About how we really need other people. Not from a transactional standpoint, but from a relational standpoint. So many of us treat our growth like this transaction, like the exchange is, I've grown enough, so in exchange I'll get happiness. If I've healed up until this point, I'll get peace in return. But our relationship with growth isn't a bargain that we strike with happiness. It's the relationship that we have with ourselves in the relationship that we have with the other people in our lives.
So this growth, this happiness is the relationship, not the transaction?
[00:24:01] Speaker C: Yeah, absolutely. It's a relationship.
[00:24:04] Speaker B: And how. Have you seen in your clients or friends or other relationships, like, how that shift from transactional to relational has shifted how people live their lives?
[00:24:18] Speaker C: The first example that comes to mind, someone that I've worked with felt a lot of pressure to perform in a certain way, to show up in a certain way that felt like what was expected of them in terms of responsibility. Like provider and worker and productive.
Watching a shift in that person through moving and choosing, speaking and taking action from a place of this is actually who I am.
These are the gifts I bring. And it may work in this circumstance or all of them, or none of them, but I'm no longer going to deny all of who I am.
Really beautiful thing to observe. Did I even answer the question?
[00:25:04] Speaker B: I like your answer whether you answer the question or not. Because noticing that shift, like that's definitely more settled, more confident in who they are versus the things that I provide, the things that I do. And I feel like that is the invitation, the awareness that we want to leave with explorers. It's like being human isn't like you're out running your life or you're trying to become this next level person.
It's easy to fall into the transactional mode of becoming. And it's like, wait, pause, you're enough. You're good right where you are.
And there's more room for more.
[00:25:47] Speaker C: When we fall under the illusion that our meaning, our validity, our worth is outside of ourselves or is based on our performative doing right or fulfilling certain responsibilities, we are forgetting the very essence and nature of who we are and how we grow, that we are energy expanding at all times. And if we can come back to Wait a minute. What do I love? What brings me joy? Where are my gifts and how can I be those and then be out in the world?
[00:26:18] Speaker B: Right?
[00:26:19] Speaker C: Coming from that place of being, that beingness just shifts everything. And I think it brings great happiness.
[00:26:28] Speaker B: I have a song that reminds us that life isn't always chasing the next big thing, always chasing happiness, always performing who we think we should be. And this song is Vienna by Billy Joel.
[00:26:45] Speaker C: Oh, wow. Interesting.
[00:26:48] Speaker B: What, that one? Yes.
[00:26:54] Speaker A: Check out this week's song on the YO Podcast playlist on Spotify.
[00:27:03] Speaker C: That has been a minute since I've heard that song stemmed astern.
Wow.
[00:27:08] Speaker B: What a yes, ma'.
[00:27:11] Speaker C: Am.
[00:27:11] Speaker B: I. As the song was closing, I was like, I could personify whatever next version of myself. Her name is Vienna.
It's like Vienna waits for you. I am not postponing my contentment. I'm not in this rush to become her. I am her right now. I don't have to wait for happiness. I don't have to rush off to be Vienna. I can be good right now, right here where I am, right?
[00:27:41] Speaker C: And Vienna is inside of you. A piece of you, right? Like she's there, waits for you.
[00:27:46] Speaker B: Woo.
[00:27:47] Speaker C: That was real good.
[00:27:48] Speaker B: That was fun. That was.
[00:27:49] Speaker C: Yeah. That was a really good choice.
[00:27:51] Speaker B: Oh, awesome. All right, so now it's time for the question of the day.
Where are or where were you postponing happiness until something changed?
[00:28:11] Speaker C: When a question hits, I'm always like.
[00:28:13] Speaker B: She's like, oh, wait, hold on. Let me. Let it settle in my body. Because where did it hit first? I'm asking the question. And my stomach was like, oh, mind your business.
[00:28:21] Speaker C: I totally felt in my gut.
[00:28:25] Speaker B: So for me, I notice. And like, again, we say this.
This is not a one and done. And like, I've reached a pinnacle of this, but it's something that I have to constantly remind myself of. I postpone happiness when I tell myself I need more clarity so I'll be happier when I have the answers to this thing or when this solution reveals itself. That is not actually true because it's. It limits clarity to a circumstance. Rather than clarity coming as I live, as I decide, as I move forward.
[00:29:01] Speaker C: As part of the process.
[00:29:02] Speaker B: Right?
[00:29:03] Speaker C: Clarity as part of the process.
[00:29:05] Speaker B: It comes as you are doing.
[00:29:07] Speaker C: Exactly. You're already in it. There's nothing.
[00:29:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:29:10] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. I love that.
Would you state the question one more time, please?
[00:29:15] Speaker B: Where are or where were you posted? Postponing happiness until something changes.
[00:29:22] Speaker C: I feel like I have that choice every single day of my life. To choose happiness, to choose to be present and okay with where I am, while also nurturing and fertilizing the dreams of where I want to head.
[00:29:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:42] Speaker C: And this mostly for me is in the realm of the work that I do, the coaching and workshop facilitation, showing up and speaking. I'm allowing it to all just bubble up and trust that it will be there for me.
So there are moments where I'm like, yeah, I gotta get the thing and I gotta do that thing. And so I have a little bit of a push pull with that. But when I can be, like, truly in a state of nervous system regulation and remembering and calm presence who I am on all levels, then I don't have that sort of panic, push mentality. I return to, okay, this is all flowing exactly as it needs to be. But it does show up mostly for me in, In. In the work because I feel I'm so passionate about it and I want to be doing more of it all the time.
And I'm just trusting.
[00:30:44] Speaker B: Right. I feel like this is something we've been circling, like, all episode. The thing that we come back to that I want to remind people as we close out, if you've been feeling restless or feeling like more is just out of your reach and wondering why you're not getting that peace you expected in the pursuit of more.
It's just a sign that happiness does not respond well to pressure. It doesn't.
[00:31:09] Speaker C: It does like it one bit.
[00:31:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Which leads me to the quote from Viktor Frankl, psychiatrist and Holocaust survivor who spent his life studying meaning, suffering and the human search of happiness. He said, happiness cannot be pursued, it must ensue.
He's not telling you to stop wanting more. He's simply reminding you that happiness does not respond well to pressure. It is not telling you to have less ambition. It's just reminding you that happiness isn't something we conquer or obtain by rounding the corner. Right. It shows up. It ensues. It's when you're engaged in things that are in alignment with your soul, things that feel meaningful to when you're honest about where you are and you're not postponing your life for this future Vienna version of yourself.
[00:32:05] Speaker C: Oh, beautifully said, Tara. Yes, absolutely.
Love it.
[00:32:09] Speaker B: Happiness is not waiting for you to have all of the answers, to have everything all figured out and everything all nice and neat and wrapped up in a pretty bow. It arrives as things are unfolding. So until next time, listen honestly and let happiness ensue.
[00:32:26] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:32:26] Speaker C: Happiness is like this little sweet butterfly that is already within you. It's already there and just wants to be observed. Just notice. Notice those quiet moments of happiness and continue to fan the flames of that. Thank you for being here with us explorers. We love you so much. We wish you contentment and growth, all the happiness in the world. We love you. Take good care.
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