How Do You Know What You Know?

[00:00:03] Tara Alexandra: Welcome to youo Odyssey Podcast, where your guides, Tara and Karen invite you on a transformative journey toward wholeness and personal growth. Each week we'll discuss topics related to the human experience and offer insights to help you along the way. Please note, this podcast should not replace medical care or advice. We are not licensed healthcare professionals or mental health therapists. If you enjoyed today's episode, subscribe so you don't miss out on our future discussions. So, explorers, let's dive into today's episode. Hey explorers, it's Tara. Karen and I are so glad that you've joined us today. Have you ever known something before you could explain how you knew it? Maybe you walked into a room and immediately felt that something was off, or you had this big decision to make, and before you weighed all the pros and cons or asked your best friend what you should do, part of you already knew what you needed to do. Today we're talking about how we come to know ourselves and what it can look like to use different tools to understand ourselves more deeply without handing those tools the authority to define us. Our guest today has built so much of her work around that intersection of voice, self discovery, spirituality, and expression. [00:01:41] Karen Novy: You and I connected. Was it through Kara Nance? [00:01:45] Cytle Schults: It was their Karen Nance. Yes. [00:01:48] Karen Novy: Awesome. I'm so interested for our explorers to hear about what you do. So please do introduce yourself. Tell us where in the world you are, Carmen Sandiego, and tell us all about the amazing work that you do. [00:02:02] Cytle Schults: Oh, my gosh. I just love that you said that. I haven't said that forever, but I used to say it all. Like when I say, where in the world is karma? [00:02:08] Tara Alexandra: San Diego. [00:02:09] Karen Novy: Yes. [00:02:10] Tara Alexandra: It's a good. [00:02:11] Cytle Schults: Where in the world are you, Carmen Sandiego? Like, anytime I was looking for anything around the house. This was only a few years ago, so it wasn't like when the show was popular. My name is Seidel and I'm in Salt Lake City, Utah, and I love it out here. It's just gorgeous, the mountains. There's currently a thunderstorm happening, which is actually really rare. It is so rare out here for us to have thunder. Thunder and lightning. I grew up in Minnesota. Yeah, sure, you betcha. [00:02:43] Karen Novy: Wow. So you just went right back into that. [00:02:46] Cytle Schults: Oh, sure, you betcha. Okie dokie. Like, and we had rainstorms all the time. Thunderstorms all the time. And so it just kind of takes me back a little bit. Anyway, so that's where I'm at. I've got three kids. My youngest is a Senior in high school this year. Since she's going to graduate, I, I try not to cry every single day about it. It goes too fast, don't you think? [00:03:10] Karen Novy: My son's about to graduate eighth grade. Like he's in his eighth grade year. We're only in quarter one. I'm already bawling. [00:03:16] Cytle Schults: Yeah. [00:03:17] Karen Novy: Multiple times a week. I'm already like, I don't even know what's happening. [00:03:23] Tara Alexandra: I will say, well, yes, since my youngest is 19, the last one hits you a little bit differently. And you would think the more you do it, the less it's impactful. You're like, oh wait, this is the last time. So yeah, that was definitely me. What do you mean? You're an adult. What is happening? So, yeah, it happens. [00:03:43] Cytle Schults: We walked into the school to go talk to counseling center before school started and there was a countdown, like a digital countdown to graduation on the wall. And I was like, why would they do that? [00:03:55] Tara Alexandra: That seems cruel. [00:03:57] Karen Novy: That's. [00:03:58] Cytle Schults: I'm sure for the seniors it's exciting. Like I never want to come into school again. I can't do it till she graduates. [00:04:05] Karen Novy: Oh my God. [00:04:06] Cytle Schults: Anyway, yeah, I have become absolutely obsessed with astrology and I feel like anytime I tell anybody I do astrology. Well, there's two things. They get excited and I get really excited. Sometimes I'm like, is it too soon in our five minute relationship for me to ask you for your birth information? [00:04:28] Karen Novy: Like, will they think I'm trying to steal their identity and I'm a stalker? [00:04:33] Cytle Schults: Like, can I see into your soul? [00:04:36] Karen Novy: Right. Allow me access to all of you, please. That's hilarious. Well, it is wild, man. Some stuff that I have just. Well, stuff I think that you and I talked about on our call a couple months ago. But really just like my birth chart, the first time I read it, I was like, what on goddess green earth is happening right here? [00:05:02] Cytle Schults: Exactly. [00:05:03] Karen Novy: How does this report know me? It's wild. [00:05:07] Tara Alexandra: Before we get into your obsession with astrology, take us back on your site. You talked a little bit about your story about being this little girl who loved to talk and then learning to hide parts of yourself to become polished and controlled and you know, whatever the people said said was appropriate for you to be. Could you walk us through like that journey like the before astrology obsession sidle. [00:05:34] Cytle Schults: Oh, shoot. You know that. I mean, I have a fantastic picture is that I watched a woman's face as I showed her my, my website and she saw the first picture and started laughing because it's a fourth grade picture of Me with. And I had like, right now it's just straight, but I have wavy hair, comes with a whole lot of frizz. And it was pulled back into, you know. You know, and it was pulled back into a ponytail and it was like everywhere. It was like little medusas coming out all over my head, you know, and that was the poof. And that was just me. And I feel like it describes so much of who I was at that just so. I mean, I would definitely describe myself as, like, outgoing and a little more outspoken and definitely one to live for the stage. My sister and I. My sister and I, just, the two of us put on the play Cinderella for my parents, which you both know, of course, I was Cinderella. [00:06:44] Karen Novy: And not even a doubt for a moment. [00:06:46] Cytle Schults: My sister, who I think had the harder part, she played every other char. In Cinderella, you only had the main character. I love [00:06:58] Karen Novy: Shine. Let me shine. [00:07:01] Tara Alexandra: You got everybody else. [00:07:02] Karen Novy: You, all the others. You do the grunt work. [00:07:05] Cytle Schults: I think I might have narrated a little bit, but that was, like, the extent of it. And when I said, when I found out about astrology, I was like, oh, yeah, that clocks. Yeah. [00:07:15] Karen Novy: But there feels an essence of freedom in that picture of you, that younger picture of you. [00:07:19] Cytle Schults: Right? [00:07:19] Tara Alexandra: Yeah. [00:07:20] Karen Novy: Like, I'm just free. I'm just free to be me. Here I am. [00:07:24] Cytle Schults: Yes. All of me in my wild and crazy hair. And I was just so. I was so talkative. I was so communicative. I just said all the things. And I remember being so, I don't know, bubbly and boisterous would be probably a good way to describe it. And by the time I hit high school, so scrolling down on the website, you see my senior picture. And my senior picture is very poised, very put together. Sidle. I probably had five friends in high school, like, total. I didn't talk to anybody in any of my classes. I didn't hang out with friends after school. Like, I just pulled in so much and really had come to learn through my experiences that I was too much, like, me talking was too much. Me being like, you know, a core memory. I remember going out in kindergarten and I was like, shouting my friend's name. And I remember, like, one of the aides, you know, on playground, just like. And looking at me because my. My voice was so loud. And she couldn't believe I had called for my friend like that. I'm like, girl, I have resonance. That's called resonance. [00:08:45] Karen Novy: Like, don't look at me for my resonance. [00:08:48] Cytle Schults: Is it impressive? Yes. Yes, it is. That look and like, those little things. Because I think it's just these little things that we pick up on that start to have us come to this place where we minimize ourselves, we minimize our voice, we minimize our words, and we kind of like shrink back into ourselves. And I really feel like that that was the version of me when I was 17, about to graduate high school, was this version of me that was like, okay, I know what will keep me safe. I know what people want and expect from me. So I'm going to sing really nicely, and I'm going to speak really nicely, and I'm only gonna sing amount of songs. And I'm gonna do my hair. Like, you know, just keeping it. Like everything was just presented that I had it together, you know, keeping it tight. [00:09:42] Karen Novy: I got the impression when I look at that picture that you were just, like, buttoned up. You're like, I am buttoned up. Here is my product of Sidle. And I think we do. Once we get that alternative, or maybe the only handbook we're handed, which is approval validation, how are other people perceiving me? There's body language, there's actual words spoken, there's looks. And I think once we incorporate that, it changes. It just sort of starts to whittle you away, right? [00:10:10] Cytle Schults: And I have always been an extremely perceptive person. So when I'm in a conversation with somebody, I'm like, forever, just from young. I mean, some people do not do this. They look for those social cues, do you know what I mean? Of like, how is this conversation going? How are they receiving my words? Like, where are they at? And while that's been really beneficial and it's super important, like, I feel like it's a gift, right? And it's so needed in what I do. But at that point, I hadn't learned to distinguish between that's their reaction and their discomfort of who I am and how I'm being. And also what's appropriate in the conversation, what they're ready for, what they're not ready for, and what's a reflection of me, do you know what I'm saying? And so every. All the feedback I got back was I need to make myself a certain way so that other people feel comfortable. And I think that's so common. [00:11:11] Karen Novy: And when you're an open receiver like that, especially, like, it is, like, constant feedback. Like in Those first, like 10 or 15 years, you're like, okay, okay, now I'm swimming this way. Now I'm zigzagging this way. And I'm like, trying to navigate you know, whose feelings are important and who's comfortable or not exactly. [00:11:31] Tara Alexandra: I feel like it's safe to say you do not feel that way anymore. You are not shrinking or minimizing or downplaying your voice and your gifts and your talents. So what was the turning point for you when you were like, I can't keep doing this the way that I've done it. Like, that's not on me. So what was that moment for you? Or a collection of moments, I guess. [00:11:55] Cytle Schults: Yeah. So I. I really got into some holistic healing and, like, the woo. I got into the woo, and I was like, wait a second. Like, this isn't me, and this doesn't feel good. And I started, like, uncovering pieces of me that had been buried. And I was like, oh, this feels a lot better. Better. This feels more comfortable to be a little bit more me and a little bit more out loud and a little bit more funny and, you know, doing things that might not be, like, comfortable for someone else. I don't do this often, as I just. This often. But sometimes it's just. Certain people just bring it out of me, and I will say things that are kind of shocking. Some. Some people do that on purpose, and. And that's like. They are. Do you know, that's not generally who I am, but sometimes it just. Anyway, I went to pick up a prescription for my husband the other day. A piece of me could just feel the pharmacy tech was a little uncomfortable. And he asked me how I know my husband, right? He didn't know. He said, how do you know? And then he said his name, right? How do you know Scott? And I was like. I couldn't help myself. I just said, he belongs to me. [00:13:19] Karen Novy: He has sired my children, and he is mine. [00:13:24] Cytle Schults: His eyes got, like, ginormous. He didn't know what to say. And I was like, he's my husband. And then he started laughing, and I was like, I couldn't help it. But it sounds like that is such a simple, small thing that doesn't seem like a big deal, but to me, it is a big deal. And to me, it's those. It's like that little thing that I had to be comfortable enough with myself to make a funny, you know, and to. To say something that I knew was going to be like, I'm not sure how to take that. We think that coming out of ourselves and being us, it has to be this big thing and this big production and, oh, my gosh, I have a million followers and. Or I'm on a stage but to me, that's not what that's about. To me, like, really coming into ourselves and being more comfortable communicating who we are, expressing who we are. Because I feel like that's such an expression of who I am to be funny and to create this connection. And I. And it was just so amazing because after I said that, after he laughed, he shifted into the more comfortable version of himself. And he was talking to him like, [00:14:32] Karen Novy: you gave him permission. Like, we're both in this together. We're humans. We're connecting. So. Didn't mean to interrupt. [00:14:39] Cytle Schults: Yeah, yeah, no, exactly. And, like, his voice changed. The sound of his voice changed. And he went from, like, the very, you know, polished, professional, like, and his. It was his performative voice. And he switched into his, like, uncomfortable voice. And I was like, that's the you that I wanted. [00:15:01] Tara Alexandra: Yeah. Like, your shocking statement was the jolt that he needed to come back into himself in that moment. Yeah. [00:15:07] Cytle Schults: Yes. [00:15:08] Tara Alexandra: I love saying things just because we're like, oh. And I know what to say in this moment, just to wake you up a little bit. [00:15:14] Karen Novy: Like, I think this is what I take issue with, let's say, in the. Let's call it business world, corporate world, professional world, the world that I don't really feel comfortable in. Like, I feel like everybody feels like they have to present a certain way and that there's a performative piece to it. There's a. I've got it all together. And I'm like, nobody got it all together. Like, nobody has it all together. Can we just all, like, state that and agree. Agree that nobody has it together, that we're all doing this thing and we're all doing the best we can. And I think it sort of fertilizes the ability for people to connect and to have different level of exchange. [00:16:02] Cytle Schults: Exactly. And I just love that you said that, because I think that's really one of the things that stood out to me when you asked me that question, Tara, is I'm still working on it. Like, I'm still a work in a pro in progress. And while I do guide my clients down this path, I'm still working on it myself. And it's a daily work. It's a weekly work. It's. It's a weekly check in with myself. It's a daily check in with myself. Am I honoring myself? Am I being. And, you know, this might be a triggering word for some people, but am I being obedient to me and to who I actually am and not who I thought I should be or who I think I should be for everybody else. And so I definitely experience my expression through the lens of, like, okay, what is it? Where is it that I'm holding myself back and how do I want to change that and how do I want to step more into me? So while I lead people through it, I am absolutely 100% still leading myself through it. [00:17:10] Tara Alexandra: I love that. And the thought that comes to me to, like, kind of tie in what you said, Karen, about big C, corporate life, and what you said, Sydal, about being a work in progress. So often society tells us that we have to have it all figured out to be polished and perfect in how we are performing it before we can lead people. But, baby, I want somebody that's been in the trenches. You walk that path, then I will follow you because you seem like you're on the other side of it. And I feel like that is the most authentic that we can be and the truest way to obedience and leadership and guidance. I don't want the fake version. There is a lot more power in the authenticity than there is in the performance. [00:17:49] Cytle Schults: Yeah. [00:17:50] Karen Novy: And I honestly, the question, am I honoring myself? I feel like, wow, I could probably see say that 27 times a day, and that would be a really great guide. Like, that is the ultimate rudder. Am I honoring myself? And I thought I was going to be triggered, but I wasn't. Am I being obedient to it? To me, that's even more powerful. Am I being obedient to who I really. Am I listening and paying attention to who I really am? And how can I access more of that in this moment when something feels a little disconnected? Love that. [00:18:21] Cytle Schults: Yep. We're just taught to be obedient to everybody else. Your parents and, like, your teachers. And the list goes on and on, you know, And I just think so that the word has become not as helpful as I think it could be. But when we really step back and ask ourselves, am I being obedient to myself? Is this what I need? That then helps us to show up more authentically, and it increases our impact on other people. And, yeah, I think, like, you were talking about, Karen, like, what we think is professional, especially because we grew up being taught, like, this is what it looks like to be professional. And, like, we're not in corporate. We're not in corporate. We're not showing up at a court in front of a judge and a jury and trying to convince them of things. You know, we're not sitting in a boardroom. We are wanting to connect and create an impact in the world. And I honestly think the most professional thing that we can be is ourselves. [00:19:27] Tara Alexandra: Yes. [00:19:29] Karen Novy: There's a sound bite right there. I love that. And honestly, that's the only for use of the word obedient I will ever allow in my life, ever. Am I being obedient to myself? I love that. [00:19:40] Cytle Schults: Yeah. [00:19:40] Karen Novy: That's amazing. We have a responsibility to ourselves and others. People that we know are in our lives, family, loved ones, and people whose lives we have not touched or impacted yet. We have a responsibility to bring all of us to love all of ourselves and to just be just bare naked honest. I think, you know, I can't say [00:20:03] Cytle Schults: it any other way. Amen. I totally agree. [00:20:07] Tara Alexandra: When we say that I am being obedient to myself, to me, that sounds like you're living a life in alignment. It's a buzzword now that people say, are we in alignment? And even in corpor speak, it's like, yes, get in alignment. But when you hear words like alignment and intuition and energy, what do those words mean to you that may not mean the same thing globally, the general population. [00:20:32] Cytle Schults: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or authenticity. That's another huge buzzword. Authenticity is a huge buzzword. What does it mean to me? Oh, that's really great. I have so many things, I'm trying to not say them all at the same time. [00:20:47] Karen Novy: Take your time. [00:20:48] Tara Alexandra: Yep. [00:20:49] Karen Novy: Let it organize. [00:20:51] Cytle Schults: I think we oftentimes we think aligned or authentic or any of those things. We put ourselves in a box with them and we think, okay, well, in order to be authentic, that means I'm just saying whatever the hell I want. Whenever the hell I want to say it, I want to say it right? Or like that this is my truth or this is my authenticity. And I just don't think that's the case. There's a difference between being authentic and showing up and being your ruder version of yourself. Like, I love that. [00:21:35] Tara Alexandra: So kind. [00:21:36] Karen Novy: Yeah, that was a really lovely way to say that. [00:21:39] Tara Alexandra: Because what popped in my head is, like, you can be authentic without being a douche, right? [00:21:45] Karen Novy: You don't actually have to be an to just be. Unless, I mean, I guess, unless you're authentically an right. [00:21:52] Cytle Schults: Nobody's authentically an like, Exactly. Nobody is authentically an right. And I think we don't understand what that means. And we don't understand what it looks like to be our authentic selves. We don't understand what it really feels. Feels like. So all we can say is, oh, this is my truth right now. But I just, okay, this is What I really want to say. [00:22:18] Karen Novy: Get it, girl. [00:22:19] Cytle Schults: To me there's two truths. There's the lowercase t truth, which is like, this is the truth of what I'm experiencing right now. This is the truth of my feelings. This is the truth of my perspective. And so often I think when people are like, this is my truth, that's what they're talking about. But then you have the capital T truth. And this is like, this is who I really am. This is the truth of who I am. Like higher self me. When I'm being obedient to myself, I'm willing to say the thing, honor myself and honor you, and say it to you in a way that honors both of us without being a douche, without being rude or being an asshole. [00:23:03] Karen Novy: When you see people being sort of forceful or like kind of in your face about their opinion or that it's still not really who they are, like I can feel that. I can feel like they're making a point and they really do write lowercase t this is their truth in this moment. But at the end of the day, I'm just going to say it in the wooland. We are all love and light. We are all the exact same energy. That is the capital T truth of who we are. And anything else is a dance around that or something that makes you feel less vulnerable or less concerned about that or how you're perceived. I don't know if that makes sense, [00:23:46] Cytle Schults: but yeah, yeah, it totally makes sense. [00:23:48] Tara Alexandra: I think when we are living in observation, when we are living in lowercase t truth, that that's, that's almost easy to do. It's easy to live and be in just lower level state and not only thinking about yourself. What you said about approaching it with kindness and compassion for the other person as well, I think when we move from the lowercase t fear to the truth, the capital T truth, our intuition speaks up and that connectedness that you both were talking about shines through us rather than like, oh, I have to protect myself. It's very fear based. [00:24:26] Cytle Schults: The lowercase T. Yes. Yeah, for sure. It's totally fear based. And I think we have to distinguish the difference between. And this is a practice in my opinion, which is actually fact, which by [00:24:41] Karen Novy: the way is absolute truth. So pay attention. [00:24:44] Cytle Schults: There's a difference between intuition and my perspective. I think a lot of times people confuse the two and they speak and they're like, I've got a feeling or I'm sensing this and I'm like, girl, that is your perspective. Or bruh, like, that's all you, buddy. [00:25:06] Tara Alexandra: Yeah, Yeah. I love that you brought this up. I was like, oh, I just made a piece of content. Your perspective is not proof. And I was using it in relation to the weather. I'm like, it's late summer, almost fall here in 61 in September feels very cool. But 61 in January is warm. The temperature is the exact same. It's just your perspective has shifted. So, yeah, it's not proof. It's just your perspective. It is not like. Well, I heard and I. No, you did. That's just you. [00:25:36] Cytle Schults: I definitely had the experience where there was like, I'm feeling from you. And I was like, you're. You're not feeling. That's your feeling. [00:25:43] Tara Alexandra: I suited up. Like, exactly. You can't feel it. Oh, my gosh, I'm rubbing your glue. Like, what you feeling is your own energy back to you. [00:25:53] Cytle Schults: That's on you. Boo. [00:25:54] Tara Alexandra: Oh, gosh, I love that. [00:25:56] Karen Novy: And then figuring out how to stand in your honesty right with yourself, you're listening, your intuition and I mean, I think it's like the Odyssey. It's like the hero's journey to. How can I do that and not tell myself a story about how I'm doing that? Like, you know what I mean? Like, then that's that exact thing. Like you said, perspective is the story. It's the story that we tell ourselves, even unconsciously, subconsciously, about what that means. Right? And our brains will always go looking for proof of that as opposed to, wait a minute, this feels good. I'm connected. I'm with myself, I know who I am. And then I move from that place. [00:26:43] Cytle Schults: I'm not laughing at what you said. I'm laughing because you said your laugh [00:26:47] Karen Novy: is like one of my favorite sounds. Forever. [00:26:50] Cytle Schults: You said, I can't even remember how you said it. No, but I was like, oh, are proving us right? Like, our brain is going to look for that evidence. And I'm like, you know what my very favorite thing is when I'm right? I just love it. People are like, oh, you're right. And I'm like, those are my favorite words. [00:27:06] Karen Novy: Like, yes. You're like, I will love you forever for saying legit. [00:27:11] Cytle Schults: Those are like my favorite words to hear. And like a side note, if you've seen Megamind, you'll know this reference. Freaking love that show. When it came out, I started saying this in my family and it caught on. And my daughter, who's a senior in high school now, she said that phrase has made it okay for her to be Wrong in public. But the phrase from the movie is, you're right, I was less right. And like it just. We don't have to say that we're wrong and it's, it's funny, it keeps it really light hearted. But when I was wrong because of the whole I was right, I was right and sticking it in someone's face, she would said that to me once and I was like, you didn't give me a chance to say the thing. And so I was like, you were right, I was less right. And then as time went on, I'd be wrong and she was right, I'd be less right, she was righter. And she would just write us and she'd stop and she'd look at me and I was like, you're right. And it just became that place. But I think it's so true. We just look for the evidence of what we already believe. And sometimes that makes it harder to shift our perspective. It makes it harder for us. Definitely makes it harder for us to listen to actual intuition. And so there's this piece where it's like, okay. And I feel like I'm definitely, like I said at the beginning, I'm still working on that myself. Still think I get pieces of inspiration. And then later I'm like, now, girl, that was just you wanting that. And so my favorite practice with that, if I can share it, is just, it could be something as simple as grab that piece of paper before you leave the house. And then I'm like, now I dismiss it. And then I get there and I was like, I actually really did need that piece of paper. Instead of beating myself up for not grabbing, it was like, oh, that was you, God. Oh, that was my intuition or oh, that was my higher self. Like whatever phrase you want to put in there. And then I can bring it back around to, I've done it enough and I've seen it enough that I'm like, oh, this is what's happening in my body. When I get that direction, this is what it feels like. And just recently I was like, oh, I just heard this thing. I think this is what's going to happen. It did not play out that way. And I was like, okay, I can see what was happening in my body at the time. I can see what was happening in my mind. I can see the difference in the speaking. Do you know what I mean? So it's like experiencing it over time and taking the I've got to be right out of it and finding the proof of it. [00:29:46] Karen Novy: Yeah, I think it shifts from I got to be right to I've got to be true. It's what is that space for me where I feel most myself and most true? And I do think that connecting to intuition, God, universe, higher self, whatever you want to call it, is something that can be practiced, that can be trained, that can be re accessed. It's about just honing in and starting to notice when you hear things as guidance and. Or is it just your sort of the negative mindset talking, like, and just sort of trying to follow what feels really the best for you. Like, what feels true to your heart? [00:30:27] Tara Alexandra: For me, the more practiced I am, the more that skill has been reinforced and those patterns have identified. I find the noticing comes whether I'm paying attention or not. I'll get those nudges, like random times. I'm like, well, what. But what did that have to do with what I was doing? Like, I'm literally sitting here getting a pedicure. What? Why would you say that right now? Like, what is that like? Or we'd be the most mundane, ordinary things unrelated. And you're like, well, okay, well, now I know. Thank you for that. [00:30:56] Cytle Schults: That happens often when I vacuum. [00:30:58] Tara Alexandra: You're like, your mind is empty. You're not preoccupied with the thing. It's like, oh, I'll throw this at you. You're ready to receive it, right? [00:31:03] Karen Novy: You're open, you're present. [00:31:04] Tara Alexandra: I love what you said about the listening to the intuition and the God guidance. Both of you were saying that in slido, you openly have bridged your faith. Because I'm gonna get to the obsession with astrology now. Bridged your faith with the work that you do with astrology. And for some people, those two things don't fit. And then for the other people, it's like, oh, yeah, they absolutely fit. So how do you hold both of those together? [00:31:29] Cytle Schults: Oh, my gosh. That is like one of my favorite questions. [00:31:32] Karen Novy: There's the best ever. She's so good. [00:31:35] Cytle Schults: Ever. Seriously. So every. Every thing I've done in my business has 100% been God led. He told me to start telling people that I could hear things when they sing, like, emotionally and mentally. And I was like, bro, you want me to lie to people? Like, that's not the God I know. And he was like, just trust me, you know? And so it's. And. And then I could somebody saying for me, and I was like, oh, snap. Like, I really can hear how you're feeling. And so it's been like that the whole way. And so when he Told me to hire this mentor. And part of her package was learning, like astrology. I was like, God led me here. Like, I'm checking in on it and there was never a point where it. It wasn't a thing, you know, for me. But then one day I'm gonna say, I don't know how to else to say it, but this is the day I gained my testimony that the two were inseparable. I was listening to Christian song and I can't even remember the title of the song right now. It's just so amazing. And, and the lyrics say, I put every star into place so that you would remember my name. You know that song I'm talking about. And I just like, it says it a few times in the song. And the second, like I was, I'm gonna. I was like listening. As I was listening to the song, it said it later in the song. But what I heard God say to me was, I put every star into place so that you would remember your name and you would remember who you are and who you are to me. And I was just like, like just crying so much. And it became this place where it was like, you know, I just was. I'd look at natal charts, I'd look at my natal chart and I'd think, only God could do this. Like, I had to be born in this exact place at this exact moment for this to happen. Lunar returns, the transits, my solar return. Like, all the things that line up. Who could do that? [00:33:56] Karen Novy: Like it's freaking miraculously. Like, that is high level shit right [00:34:00] Cytle Schults: there above my pay grade. Yeah, exactly. Like there's no way this, it's too on point for it to be coincidental. And so to me, it's like anything that is a light that creates more light is God. Because God is light. And this is like a reflection of it, right? And so it's like, it has to be it. So I don't practice astrology without God. I don't know, practice it without my gift. So when I'm looking at someone's natal chart, I'm like, okay, God, show me what it is they need to hear. Show me, tell me, help me hear what it is in their chart that's going to be most impactful for them, this moment. What's going to create the transformation that they need right now? [00:34:51] Tara Alexandra: And I absolutely had to look at the name of the song because it was going to bother me otherwise. It is Bethel Music's Dancing on the Waves. But I love the connection and how beautifully you've Woven the two together. You're like, if God made the stars and God is like, what are we doing? [00:35:07] Karen Novy: They're not separate. Yeah, they're not separate at all. And I got full body chills now. I usually. I always get the arms, but I got all the way down to my feet. When you said when you were listening to the song what, you know, what you heard God say about now I tear a nose. I just restarted using the word God because I. From my past religion. [00:35:29] Tara Alexandra: Deconstruction. That needed to happen. [00:35:31] Karen Novy: Yeah, a little deconstruction to happen. And now I'm getting back. I'm, like, getting over it. I'm, like, getting back to it. And I've actually even been using it in my nighttime prayers, things like that. So it's. That's a big deal for me. So for me to just say, like, when you said that and you were talking about the stars are there for you, Remember who you are. I'm telling you, just stem disturb. I got covered in goosebumps. [00:35:54] Cytle Schults: I just want to cry. Every time I tell this story, I just want to cry. It just is. It's so powerful. Because I think sometimes astrologers can look at things and be like, oh, well, this is a really bad placement. I've just heard that too many times. And I'm like, girl, he gave me the weakness so that I'd seek him. And there's such things. If this is the case, God, how do I turn this into a strength? How is this piece of me really the most powerful part of me? Because I really feel like that is what our weaknesses are like this really powerful piece of us that we haven't claimed yet. [00:36:32] Karen Novy: Oh, I feel the same way. I love that you just said that. [00:36:34] Tara Alexandra: That is beautiful. It's like you're not giving the label or the definition or what it traditionally means, the authority over who you are. You're like, yes, this could be true, and you can turn that around into something else. I love that language. [00:36:52] Karen Novy: I don't think there are any mistakes. I think that things that how we are made right. First of all, don't even get me started on the freaking miracle of how our bodies work and the fact that we can grow a human being inside of our bodies. Like, the mechanism of our bodies. Amazing. Like, so many things had to line up for each one of us, every human being to be here in this moment at this time. And so therefore, the things that I think maybe are my faults or my weaknesses are so purposefully placed there so that I may walk through them Right. And I may learn something real, something that will help me to evolve spiritually, that will help me to elevate my consciousness. [00:37:39] Tara Alexandra: That reframing is very, very powerful. It's like the very things that have caused us maybe the most pain. Like Saito, you were saying, your story of being polished in what everyone else expected of you, you use that now as part of your purpose and your calling and living out your life. The very thing that you think could not be used for amazing transformation, influence, and impact is the very thing that you should be using. Okay. I could literally sit here and talk to you for the next two hours. [00:38:09] Karen Novy: I know. I just checked. And I was like. [00:38:11] Tara Alexandra: But I'm like, all right, so let's. Let's show Sydo some love and be mindful of her time. We go ahead and continue this part [00:38:19] Cytle Schults: for a. I'm all in. [00:38:21] Tara Alexandra: Yeah. For someone who is listening and they. Maybe she wants to feel a little bit more connected to herself. Maybe not quite natal chart, astrology level. Like, where would you tell her to start? [00:38:32] Cytle Schults: She wants to feel more connected with herself. Hands down. She needs to be journaling every day. Hands down. It has to be a big part. And look, when I say journaling, I think that could be another trigger word. People feel certain ways about journaling. And. And when I say journaling, I mean pour your heart out. Give yourself a space where you can say all the effing words. And I mean all of them. This is a judgment free zone. You're holding yourself. I was talking to a friend the other day. We had some feelings that were very strong. Both of us. We're experiencing some anger. And I told her one of my favorite anger practices is write and burn. And I got a. An empty paint can from Home Depot. You can. They're like eight bucks. And then I take a magic marker and I write positive words on them, and. And then I just write and I type. Or you could handwrite. I type because it goes faster, and I have a lot to say when I'm really angry and just, like, type it out, and then it gets burned. Light a fire in the can. It's kept safe, you know? And yes, there is something about seeing the fire that might not be for everybody, but for her. She said she has a trigger around journaling because her journal was read and her privacy was crouched on and trust was broken. Yeah, violated. That's the word I was looking for. And her privacy was violated. And so burning it gives her a place to stay. Start journaling with safety, because now she has a way that she can say all the things that she wants to say and no one can read them because they're ashes. And so if that's a space where you're at, it doesn't have to be angry journaling. It can just be like, I've got to get all my thoughts out of my head. So often I think we don't even fully understand the things that we're thinking. And if we don't understand, we're going to have an extremely difficult time communicating and expressing ourselves. And when I say expression, I mean more than just words. I mean living the life you want to live, because that is an expression of you and who you are and who you want to be. And if you're not clear on your thoughts and you're not clear on this and you're not creating that intimate relationship with yourself, which I believe happens in journaling, it's going to be a lot harder to communicate with your words and express with the fullness of who you are. So definitely doing something like that or like having some sort of journaling practice where you're just like, this is where I'm at. Seeking guidance, pulling a card or going to scripture, something like that, to help then bring you back to this space of unity with yourself. [00:41:29] Karen Novy: Yeah. You can ask for help. You can ask your higher self whatever you believe in. Right. For help. And I think that's really powerful. [00:41:37] Tara Alexandra: This. This. That is. Yeah. [00:41:40] Karen Novy: How can our listeners. Before we let you go, how can our listeners find you if they want to just sort of soak up more of your. I'm going to call it magic, because that's what it feels like to me. Your stardust and your love. How can followers do that? [00:41:54] Cytle Schults: I'm on Instagram at Designed to be Heard, and they can go to my website at Soulsound Just CEO. [00:42:04] Karen Novy: That's where you'll get the awesome pictures. [00:42:06] Cytle Schults: Yep. That's where you'll get the awesome pictures. And I hope that if you go visit, you laugh. [00:42:12] Karen Novy: Yeah. It's good stuff. [00:42:14] Tara Alexandra: Oh, my goodness. Well, Seidle, thank you so much for joining us for. For your first guest appearance on your Odyssey podcast. Oh, Explorer. I hope you got so much out of everything. So much knowledge and wisdom was shared here. We thank you so much for your time and for being here with us today. [00:42:34] Cytle Schults: Pleasure. Thank you. [00:42:35] Karen Novy: Thanks, Seidal. [00:42:37] Tara Alexandra: If there were ever a time to follow the nudges and the leadings, there is a song that I picked before the episode. Even though it's like, you know, maybe we'll wait and see. And I was like, no, I need to have a song. I got to have a backup. But while she was talking, so many different songs came to me, and I was like, oh, well, that's the one. But as I'm just sitting here now, I actually think it's the song that connected her astrology with God. I'm like, now I feel like we have to play Dancing on the Ways by Bethel Music. Check out this week's song on the YO Podcast playlist on Spotify. [00:43:24] Karen Novy: Dare you to believe how much I love you. [00:43:26] Cytle Schults: Great line. [00:43:27] Karen Novy: Dare you. I dare you. [00:43:30] Tara Alexandra: Dare you. Oh, my goodness. [00:43:35] Karen Novy: Oh, that was beautiful. [00:43:38] Tara Alexandra: Yeah. Yep, yep, yep. [00:43:40] Karen Novy: That was so interesting. It was perfect because before the call, I was like, I've been in my head about, you know, coaching, and then, you know, the music that comes, right? And like, where. Where do you. Where. What do you want me to do? Where do you want me to. And I swear, in the middle of that song, I felt like. [00:44:00] Tara Alexandra: Like it. [00:44:01] Karen Novy: Oh, I got, like, giving you these songs for a reason. You need to do this. I'm like, okay, I need you to believe how much I love you. [00:44:09] Tara Alexandra: And then when you have the full almost two minutes at the end of the song, where it's just you and the waves and the. [00:44:17] Karen Novy: And the strings and the piano, it's like. I mean, talk about a spa moment. [00:44:23] Tara Alexandra: Just melt. Just melt. [00:44:25] Karen Novy: Okay. [00:44:26] Tara Alexandra: Like, all of the other stuff, all of the things that don't matter melt away. And that was. [00:44:31] Cytle Schults: Yeah. [00:44:32] Tara Alexandra: Literally could not have picked a more perfect song. [00:44:35] Karen Novy: Oh, yeah. It's like at that moment, too, in the song, you're just like, I am whole. I am love, I am peace. That's how I feel. I just felt. I was like, I am connected to everything. [00:44:47] Tara Alexandra: All right. That was amazing and beautiful, and I love that that was the song that accompanied this episode. The Q O T D. Okay. Seems perfect. After our conversation with Sydal, today's question. When do you feel most connected to your inner knowing? [00:45:09] Karen Novy: Two minutes ago, like, right at the [00:45:11] Tara Alexandra: end of song and at the end of the season. [00:45:13] Karen Novy: Right now. [00:45:15] Tara Alexandra: Just that. Yeah. So there are. [00:45:17] Karen Novy: Music is so powerful for that. [00:45:19] Tara Alexandra: There are songs that will connect you. And like you said, you got answers just in listening to the song. Seidel mentioned journaling. That's a connection that I use. I like bringing back the burn. After writing the silence, I have become more and more familiar and accustomed to sitting in the silence and listening. Listening inward and upward rather than outward, and all of the noise that comes with that and walking outside in nature in Creation. There's God's word and God's works. If I'm walking outside, then baby, that's what we. It's like a. A quick connection back in to just observe anytime. It's like, oh, okay, here. [00:46:01] Karen Novy: Wonders of creation. All of these magical things that are here for when I see people rushing somewhere or look at the phone rushing. And I was like, look up. I mean just the trees against the blue sky and the white clouds. Or did you hear that bird? Or oh my goodness, I can't believe how amazing the moon looks tonight. And why are those stars doing that thing? And there's just so much wonder, right? There's so much wonder. Absolutely. Being out in nature, for sure. I love that the journaling is a. It's a tool for introspection, but it's a tool to connect to something big or too. I did that recently, the fire thing. I didn't have the can. Next time I will do that. I was releasing a limit in my life and I did, I wrote, I wrote, I wrote, I wrote. And I went out back and I torched that up and it just felt so good. It felt so good. Highly recommend. [00:46:52] Tara Alexandra: You said you released the limit while Saito was talking because you know me, sometimes I'll do the little thing. And what came up? Well, one was what I thought was a song, but that didn't up end up being the song. But the last thing that I wrote is alignment is limitless. [00:47:08] Karen Novy: That is right. And whether the limits that are self imposed or outside imposed, like we need to release those because those are not real and those are not true. [00:47:18] Tara Alexandra: They're not, they're not capital T, truth. [00:47:21] Cytle Schults: Stop it. [00:47:23] Karen Novy: She was talking about like journaling as a way to know yourself. I'm like, yeah, that is, that is, that is the path to peace, to wholeness, right to connection is just knowing yourself in whatever way works for you to be able to access that. [00:47:37] Tara Alexandra: I found a quote from poet Mary Oliver. [00:47:41] Karen Novy: Love her so much. [00:47:42] Tara Alexandra: It's just amazing for where we've landed on this episode. So Mary said, instructions for living a life. Pay attention, be astonished, tell about it. [00:47:58] Karen Novy: That's only three things. [00:47:59] Cytle Schults: That's it. [00:48:00] Tara Alexandra: Pay attention, be astonished and tell about it. [00:48:02] Karen Novy: And tell them about it. [00:48:03] Tara Alexandra: That's. [00:48:04] Cytle Schults: That's. [00:48:04] Tara Alexandra: Yeah, that's all. [00:48:06] Karen Novy: That's it. [00:48:07] Tara Alexandra: And those are your instructions for living a life. This has been an amazing episode. [00:48:11] Cytle Schults: So great. [00:48:13] Tara Alexandra: Been wonderful. So explore it until next time. May you have the discernment to recognize what is yours, the courage to trust what you know, and the freedom to give it voice. [00:48:28] Cytle Schults: I love that. [00:48:30] Karen Novy: And I'm just going to add, may you be curious, filled with wonder, and may you look up. Till next time, explorers. We love you so much. Take good care. Thank you to Queenies in Downtown Durham for the use of their community podcast studio and for welcoming us so warmly each week. We'd like to give a shout out to Coco Cinnamon, the birthplace of 1023 Media and the yo podcast. Please support your local women owned minority owned coffee shop in Downtown Durham. Brought to you by Durham based 1023 Media, a heart centered woman owned multimedia media company.